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The lazy technologist's guide to weight loss

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Re: The lazy technologist's guide to weight loss

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I lost 20 lbs with this method (another vote for MyFitnessPal!), though I gained it back when work got stressful and I stopped being able to control my calories. I’m trying to get back on the wagon again. I’m also investigating water fasting as both a rapid weight loss and longevity strategy, due to the forced senescence of unhealthy cells. Have you or anyone else here tried that?

Fasting is good, and depending how strict you are...

Fasting promotes autophagy and improves insulin resistance, if you do actual fasting (no calories during fasting). Many people have what's called "metabolic syndrome" which is low insulin sensitivity (high insulin resistance) and that causes many problems eventually leading to Type 2 diabetes.

Fasting with small "breaks" (100-200cal snacks) breaks a true fast (>50cal) but still results in overall reduced calories, and is more sustainable for many (or a path towards true fasting).

You lose weight in fasting due to reduced calories. How you do it determines the benefits - merely reduced calories, or more. Some people have very little weight loss with reduced calories diets b/c their metabolism (insulin sensitivity) is really messed up and won't see benefit until they do true fasting.

I like OMAD (one meal a day) as it feels the "easiest", though I have done regular multi-day fasts in the past and the hardest part is figuring out what to do with yourself since you're not spending time cooking/eating.

A good book is The Obesity Code[1], with lots of background and fasting schedules.

Really, the most benefit I've had from fasting is resetting my appetite - I am now satiated and full from a "normal" meal, and thus eating a reasonable amount of food. I used to easily be able to eat a large pizza and then a pint of ice cream every night (obv that leads straight to obesity). Now 3-4 slices of pizze + side salad is more than enough to fill me up and I have some pieces of chocolate for dessert.

[1] https://a.co/d/9ZfHjr7

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I lost 35lbs recently—surpassing my goal. I tracked every calorie I consumed and used an Apple Watch to be sure I was hitting my calorie deficit goals. However if I were doing it again today, I would follow some simple rules: cut anything I was planning on eating in half, then substitute with as much salad and fruit as I want. You can reduce calories in dressing by adding acids to it (pickle liquid, etc.). Easy to re…

Fruit may actually not be that healthy due to sugar content, but in my experience still a healthier treat than other sugary options. Nonetheless, I followed an approach similar to your simple rules with great success.

Re: The lazy technologist's guide to weight loss

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Congrats on the author. I've lost 18kg over a year, but reached a plateau. I'm now trying to gain muscles to be able to burn more kcal per day.

On a side note, the article started in US customs (pounds), and then uses kcal for measuring the energy, and finally uses grams and g/lb for proteins. Just switch to metric :)

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Keeping weight off turns out to be way harder than losing weight.

Not that losing weight is easy; just way easier.

You'll notice that almost any comment or post about successful weight loss is written when the weight loss is recent. And of course, people tend to talk about their recent success, so fair enough.

But I almost see people going around saying, this or that worked great for me 3 years ago, and I'm still doing great. I know it happens, and to me, that's the more interesting secret. (And that said, there's a nice counterexample in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39082494 - 13 years!)

I've successfully lost a lot of weight through sheer force of will a few times when I was younger and competitive and had people to compete with.

I've successfully lost a lot of weight through ketogenic diet a few times before, and that has had better success at sticking. It's lasted up to 2 years, which is still great. But still comes back eventually. Eventually I stop being strict about macros and start just kinda labeling some food as keto and sticking to that, and that doesn't work.

Right now I'm on Mounjaro, one of the new weight loss drugs like Ozempic. This is truly the lazy (but expensive) way to lose weight. And of course I know I need a plan for keeping it off once I lose it all, if I wish to stop taking the drug.

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I have no idea if this will work for anyone else and I don't have any data on which components are more important than others or how they interact, but the following is how I lost 35 kgs down to my target of 79 kg. from 1st of January 2023 to 15th May 2023, a weight which I retain +/- 2 kg. as of today.

I walk 10 km every day, no exceptions. (I still do this) I had a banana + coffee w. skimmed milk for breakfast. I had a plate of 2/3 heavy vegs (e.g. carrot, cabbage) 1/3 protein for lunch. I had ONLY one serving of whatever we were having for dinner. No alcohol, beer, crisps, candy at home - ever. When we went out I drank and ate whatever everyone else did.

Those are the broad strokes. Feel free to ask any questions you might have.

Re: The lazy technologist's guide to weight loss

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Congratulations! 55lb is a big chunk of weight to not be carrying around! It's very true that for weight loss, diet is the single most important variable, but that doesn't mean exercise doesn't matter. The kind of exercise you do matters a lot, too, particularly once you start caring about lean mass vs fat, rather than just the gross scale weight. Cardio has this image as "the way you lose weight", but I think that s…

What's a kcal here? It doesn't seem plausible to me that a pound of muscle only takes 10 kcal (aka 1 Calorie, with a capital "C") per day to maintain. Are you saying, for example, maintaining 20 pounds of muscle only requires consuming 200 Calories per day more of food? Edit: According to the Internet, this is actually approximately correct, 20kcal/lb/day. I must just have high metabolism, because I must consume more…

"kilogram calorie" - it's the unit that we colloquially refer to as a "calorie" in the US for nutrition purposes.

That maintenance requirement is just "keeping the cells alive when you're laying in bed in a coma" - actually using those muscles obviously requires more energy than that. Maintaining muscle mass is more than just a function of calories, though - in part because it's more expensive tissue, the body will try to make up caloric deficits from muscle before fat. Building and maintaining muscle requires that you keep your body in a state of muscle synthesis, which is itself a very metabolically-expensive process.

Numbers for energy/lb/day of muscle range from 6kcal-50kcal depending on who you're listening to, but the thing that everyone agrees on is that regardless of the number, muscle is multiple times more expensive than equivalent fat to maintain.

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A lot of weight loss suggestions - the linked article included - start with "improve your diet", "eat healthy", "substitute fruits for hamburgers" and the like.

I am fat despite eating healthy. Or rather, because of it: I almost entirely avoid junk food and alcohol, rarely have restaurant food, but I love healthy, nutritious, home-cooked meals and fresh fruits and vegs so much that I simply eat far too much of them. I wonder if anyone has been in my situation and has suggestions?

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Congrats! This is a great read and aligns with my own experiences being in a similar position. Before COVID I was 210lbs, pre-hypertension, and sedentary. The work from home change and pandemic was a wake up call that allowed me to eat better food at home, exercise before and after work, and get better sleep.

I think this is the recipe to weight loss, not once did I go on a special diet or crazy hard exercise routine, just eating less and a bit of exercise over time.

Im now down to 165lbs and the healthiest I've ever been.

Re: The lazy technologist's guide to weight loss

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I think the author's take on the role of exercise is kind of harsh compared to my own experiences and of those around me.

> An hour of intense exercise might burn 500 calories, and it’s very hard to keep up that level of effort for even one full hour — especially if you’ve been sitting in a chair all day for years on end.

This is probably true, though it doesn't factor in the effect of muscle mass and "afterburn" on resting metabolism. Muscle is expensive, that's why your body gets rid of it quickly when you don't use it. And you spend a lot of calories replenishing energy stores and repairing your muscles in the days after your exercise, because that's far from a 100% efficient process.

If you're male and an absolute beginner (as sitting in a chair all day implies), you can gain significant muscle mass with just 90 minutes a week of strength training.

The direct calorie expenditure of exercising that much may be minor. But you will soon be burning an extra 150kcal/day in afterburn and muscle maintenance just sitting on your ass on your off-days. That adds up to a nice beer budget.

Intensive strength training isn't for everyone though, I can see why a guide for the lazy person might leave it out. But if you're even slightly more of a minmaxer than just lazy you should consider it, given all the other additional benefits of exercise.

Finally the protein paragraphs are very spot on. Especially now quality protein shakes are cheap and easily available. One of those (125kcal) fills me up like lunch, and two like dinner. They're an incredible weight loss hack.

Re: The lazy technologist's guide to weight loss

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A lot of weight loss suggestions - the linked article included - start with "improve your diet", "eat healthy", "substitute fruits for hamburgers" and the like. I am fat despite eating healthy. Or rather, because of it: I almost entirely avoid junk food and alcohol, rarely have restaurant food, but I love healthy, nutritious, home-cooked meals and fresh fruits and vegs so much that I simply eat far too much of them.…

In my experience, similar to the authors, it comes down to caloric intake. If you sit at home most of day and aren’t expending much energy, then you need to eat less.

When I go out and have a big day hiking or biking, I’ll eat more to fuel that activity and recovery. But on a rest day or day at home, ill eat a good bit less since my body doesn’t need the fuel.

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