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I'm currently halfway through The Idea Factory: Bell Labs & the Great Age of American Innovation by Jon Gertner. The stories and characters behind all the inventions and ideas are absolutely fascinating, as is the culture they cultivated there. Definitely recommended!

I came here to recommend this book as the title of this article mirrors its title's key descriptor. It's one of my favorite books; throughout my time reading it I would periodically put it down and just sit with awe in imagining the science and the work happening there throughout the years depicted. I need to sit down and read it again; but I'm afraid to, as in a way it just gives me this odd sense of mixed unfounded…

> and jealousy and a bit of dread for not being a part of something similar anymore.

In some corridor, somewhere in the world, the next Bell Labs is currently under way and others will read books about it in the future. You just have to figure out where it is :)

Re: Remembering Bell Labs as legendary idea factory prepares to leave N.J. home

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This article - a retrospective puff piece - entirely neglects the circumstances leading to the loss of relevance of Bell Labs. It's explained in the autoposy of one of the greatest scientific frauds (fabricated nanoelectronic devices made of organic carbon materials e.g. pentacene) of the past few decades [1]: > "For over half a century, Bell Labs had been owned by the telephone monopoly AT&T and had plenty of money…

Bobbybroccoli over on Youtube made three massive episodes about the story that goes into it with a lot of detail - I couldn't stop watching them when I first found them. Here's the link if anyone is interested: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAB-wWbHL7Vsfl4PoQpNs...

Re: Remembering Bell Labs as legendary idea factory prepares to leave N.J. home

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I have walked those halls and let me tell you it feels spooky in a good way to know a lot of groundbreaking work was done there. During the time I was on campus it was mostly empty. There were old computers still inside some rooms. I felt like I had been transported to the 80s or 90s in one hall and some halls even more decades in the past. Really grand. I can’t imagine what it was like in its heyday.

I’m not a nostalgic person, but for some reason I wish irrationally that that Murray Hill building could be preserved as is. I read so much about of it in the history of computing, and just like (from the pictures) the building interior itself so much I just feel like I missed out on some thing not to have been there myself.

I was lucky enough to work at Microsoft in building 2, one of 8 matching buildings from the mid-80s, and it absolutely felt special at the time. In my imagination, it had some of the same vibe as Bell Labs did in its heyday. I was on the Visual Studio team, and great things were happening. I knew it. I also knew that team was special.

No one else in Visual Studio seemed that interested – they were just too busy and I think maybe too young to get it.

Buildings 1-8 were demolished few years ago, but I had been gone from the company for decades by that time. I did grieve a bit.

Re: Remembering Bell Labs as legendary idea factory prepares to leave N.J. home

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I have walked those halls and let me tell you it feels spooky in a good way to know a lot of groundbreaking work was done there. During the time I was on campus it was mostly empty. There were old computers still inside some rooms. I felt like I had been transported to the 80s or 90s in one hall and some halls even more decades in the past. Really grand. I can’t imagine what it was like in its heyday.

I’m not a nostalgic person, but for some reason I wish irrationally that that Murray Hill building could be preserved as is. I read so much about of it in the history of computing, and just like (from the pictures) the building interior itself so much I just feel like I missed out on some thing not to have been there myself. I was lucky enough to work at Microsoft in building 2, one of 8 matching buildings from the m…

I wonder where can you find those types of places currently?

Places developing the next mRNA vaccines for cancer?

Places developing AI?

Electric cars?

Re: Remembering Bell Labs as legendary idea factory prepares to leave N.J. home

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post #37

I have walked those halls and let me tell you it feels spooky in a good way to know a lot of groundbreaking work was done there. During the time I was on campus it was mostly empty. There were old computers still inside some rooms. I felt like I had been transported to the 80s or 90s in one hall and some halls even more decades in the past. Really grand. I can’t imagine what it was like in its heyday.

I’m not a nostalgic person, but for some reason I wish irrationally that that Murray Hill building could be preserved as is. I read so much about of it in the history of computing, and just like (from the pictures) the building interior itself so much I just feel like I missed out on some thing not to have been there myself.

I was lucky enough to work at Microsoft in building 2, one of 8 matching buildings from the mid-80s, and it absolutely felt special at the time. In my imagination, it had some of the same vibe as Bell Labs did in its heyday. I was on the Visual Studio team, and great things were happening. I knew it. I also knew that team was special.

No one else in Visual Studio seemed that interested – they were just too busy and I think maybe too young to get it.

Buildings 1-8 were demolished few years ago, but I had been gone from the company for decades by that time. I did grieve a bit.

Re: Remembering Bell Labs as legendary idea factory prepares to leave N.J. home

#47

I have a question for anyone in an R&D/Bell Labs-esque place - are there any good recommendations for similar places to work, particularly outside the US? "Old" Google apparently was, but going by what ex-googlers have been saying it hasn't been the case for a long while now.

Any prestige research lab - MS, Google, OAI, etc.

I'm not sure how many, if any, are doing blue sky research (vs product-directed "research") any more the way that Bell Labs, IBM Watson and Xerox Parc used to do.

Look at what's going on with ML/AI - DeepMind now merged with Google Brain seemingly with a product focus, FAIR now moved into a product group alongside Meta's GenAI group, Microsoft essentially outsourcing AI to OpenAI, OpenAI may as well call itself GPTCorp - a single-product commercial enterprise.

I guess it's not surprising given how short term the thinking is of today's publicly traded companies.

Re: Remembering Bell Labs as legendary idea factory prepares to leave N.J. home

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How high are the costs and how much can you reduce them before you reach diminishing returns? Will it reach zero?

It is pretty close to zero. Has anyone thought about how much a trade of a broadly traded security will cost them in recent times, or ever thought it would not happen near instantly?

How frequently do you think most people make such transactions?

Re: Remembering Bell Labs as legendary idea factory prepares to leave N.J. home

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post #37

I have walked those halls and let me tell you it feels spooky in a good way to know a lot of groundbreaking work was done there. During the time I was on campus it was mostly empty. There were old computers still inside some rooms. I felt like I had been transported to the 80s or 90s in one hall and some halls even more decades in the past. Really grand. I can’t imagine what it was like in its heyday.

I’m not a nostalgic person, but for some reason I wish irrationally that that Murray Hill building could be preserved as is. I read so much about of it in the history of computing, and just like (from the pictures) the building interior itself so much I just feel like I missed out on some thing not to have been there myself. I was lucky enough to work at Microsoft in building 2, one of 8 matching buildings from the m…

It's interesting how much we associate a place with the fulfillment (career) we had there. I always smile fondly when I pass by the buildings I worked in years ago, in the valley.

It's a strange thought that the building I spent so many hours, days, years in is now just a thing seen out of the passenger window as I drive by, for maybe 2 seconds.

Re: Remembering Bell Labs as legendary idea factory prepares to leave N.J. home

#50

I have a question for anyone in an R&D/Bell Labs-esque place - are there any good recommendations for similar places to work, particularly outside the US? "Old" Google apparently was, but going by what ex-googlers have been saying it hasn't been the case for a long while now.

Microsoft Research, though it has a reputation for coming up with great ideas that somehow never end-up in a shipping Microsoft product.

For some that's a plus!
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