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Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

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It's genuinely a difficult question because there are projects that have the exact same technical designs that are still legitimate projects. So how do you evaluate this? From my perspective it used to easier. I'd just look at the problems that the company was focusing on and ask: (1) are they solving a real issue (2) are they making a valid contribution with their solution? Normally both 1 and 2 would be eliminated…

By that standard dogecoin is a scam.

By my standards everything including bitcoin is... They do not provide any meaningful solution. Or their value proposition is not real.

Maybe some might offer a valid case like anonymity, but very limited pool.

Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

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It's genuinely a difficult question because there are projects that have the exact same technical designs that are still legitimate projects. So how do you evaluate this? From my perspective it used to easier. I'd just look at the problems that the company was focusing on and ask: (1) are they solving a real issue (2) are they making a valid contribution with their solution? Normally both 1 and 2 would be eliminated…

By that standard dogecoin is a scam.

Dogecoin does do something different - it has ongoing tail inflation. Whether that is a good idea or not is debatable. But it does operate differently then btc.

Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

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I'd rather say that such conduct is mostly confined to evangelicals. Mainstream Christianity teaches that prophecy ceased with Maleachi, and form then onwards we have only the traditions of the Church to go by. That would include a sober ("chaste") lifestyle.

I would say you are probably simplifying this a lot. It's extremely standard to believe God will lead you to, call you to, arrange for you to, etc. move in a given direction. (Pastors, at least in protestant denominations I am familiar with, are "called" to their new jobs, in church parlance, and are "led" to seek new roles.) I would say most people do not expect God to set a bush ablaze and speak verbally to them, b…

One of the cessationists criticisms of prohecy was that it leads to man/self aggrandizing and away from written truthes. It's a positioned that is a poisoned well that naturally creates scammy behavior and fosters a spiritual hierarchy and gnostic heresies.

That's why many conservative evangelicals did mock and accuse charismatic tv preachers of being grifters, unrepresentive and false teachers. Though that public tension and conflict seems to be abandoned for the sake of political unity nowadays.

I've known calvinistic missionaries (all dead now) from these groups, they speak of being burdened, and "feeling" called, but they're clear that a personal burden is not a revelation or prophecy, it's just a personal conviction from the text combined with circumstances and an affinity of where to go, not the voice of god. No different than a person feeling convicted to become vegetarian because of something they read. They cited some passages from paul about going where "he choose" (I've no interest in looking that passage up at this point) and the use of casting of lots to show it's internally driven conviction and pragmatism and not a revelatory special calling. Being explicit that anyone hearing the voice of God probably needed medical help, personal prophecy wasn't a source of inspiration and truth but were warned against.

Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

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How do you tell a scam coin from a non scam one? It's like a cult vs a religion, as far as I can tell the only difference is popularity.

Part of the problem is that there is a huge space where something can be: A) Designed and deployed in good faith (not designed as an actively bad-faith fraud) B) Still is an extremely risky investment C) While there can still be participants (not necessarily the proginators), who operate in bad faith to exploit the shortcomings of a good-faith design

Figuring out which is which while avoiding getting rekt is not easy, but can be done.

Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

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"A Christian did something bad, let's insult God and Christianity!" That's the point of this article and its title. But no one cares about the missionaries who risk their lives to benefit others, and all positive things are thrown out the window. Then, let's blame God because a human did something bad "in His name." See the irrationality of the "logic"?

The vast majority of missionary work these days is virtue signaling disguised as a grift.

Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

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Lots of people mocking the “God commanded me to do X” but if you’re familiar with evangelical Christian culture, this line gets used to justify all sorts of behavior and life decisions that might go against what one would traditionally expect a devout Christian to avoid. Obviously fraud and financial crimes are an extreme version of this, but it’s a line I’ve heard to justify all sorts of legal albeit self-destructiv…

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Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

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Lots of people mocking the “God commanded me to do X” but if you’re familiar with evangelical Christian culture, this line gets used to justify all sorts of behavior and life decisions that might go against what one would traditionally expect a devout Christian to avoid. Obviously fraud and financial crimes are an extreme version of this, but it’s a line I’ve heard to justify all sorts of legal albeit self-destructiv…

Christianity isn't the only religion abused by flawed people to do bad things. Its more of a reflection of the people involved and not the religion. It's sad.

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Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

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I'd rather say that such conduct is mostly confined to evangelicals. Mainstream Christianity teaches that prophecy ceased with Maleachi, and form then onwards we have only the traditions of the Church to go by. That would include a sober ("chaste") lifestyle.

This actually depends on your denomination quite a bit. What you're outlining is a fairly conservative approach. There's a decent sized amount of "charismatic" Christians who firmly believe in prophecy here and now. What qualifies as prophecy, and how to handle it can differ quite a bit from congregation to congregation.

Those are evangelicals. It goes back to the problem of Protestantism’s sola scriptura philosophy, rejecting 1500 years of theological inquiry and study - something that didn’t happen with Orthodoxy or Catholicism.

Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

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Modern american evangelical christianity suffers from a particular moral rot that isn't unique to it but is also not common to other branches of the faith. Specifically, there's a firm conviction that once you're saved you remain saved, and you can find lots of people who behave as if as a result, nothing they do really matters. They can be selfish, they can be rude, they can be cruel, they can be unfaithful, and it'…

Sadly, I agree. The "always saved" and "faith without fear" motto's give most the idea that humility doesn't matter anymore. Pastor's fill them up with their being special and elect, which is in the heavenly realm, not here on earth. The concept of servant-believers, for most, isn't even on their radar. 2015 was a sort of tipping point, IMO, that has caused a sort of paradigm shift in Christianity. (sorry, a little v…

Your viewpoint is very American and very Protestant. A lot of these things you call changes I saw as a regular feature in the evangelical south in the early 00s.

Going to “basic tenets” and doubling down on sola scriptura is just fundamentalism and is why evangelicals and the like are the way that they are. And they’re (relatively) modern inventions!

Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

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Sadly, I agree. The "always saved" and "faith without fear" motto's give most the idea that humility doesn't matter anymore. Pastor's fill them up with their being special and elect, which is in the heavenly realm, not here on earth. The concept of servant-believers, for most, isn't even on their radar. 2015 was a sort of tipping point, IMO, that has caused a sort of paradigm shift in Christianity. (sorry, a little v…

> biblically taught And there’s the key. If only people would read the Bible. If they would read even just Philippians 3:12 or Hebrews 10:26 or any of a number of other passages, they would see at once what heresy “once saved, always saved” is. But no, Christianity is too often just a club. Most people have no actual interest in the Bible. God has ever worked with minorities and remnants. Christianity strongly Bible-…

People we're talking about sending missionaries into the church in the late 90s for this reason, people railed against this rise of the influence of para-church organizations and multi-denominational initiatives.

But the people who wanted to keep the definition of the american church a "small c" lost pretty thoroughly to the political action clubs.

The SBC boycotts/cancelation of Disney in 1997 and the memetic cancelation of General Mills cereal was all outworkings from Jerry Falwells take over of american christian expression using Francis Schaeffers films to provide emotional impact and introduce new political reasoning and adopt what was previously "the roman catholic" issue of abortion as a primary political, religious and social wedge issue. That was the core "ratchet" issue.

With Lamar Alexander, Alan Keyes and a few others politicians campaigning with extremely heavy religious strategies in republican primaries in 96 you see a turning point and culmination of the political work of Falwell and others through the 80s. It showed that there was effectively no pushback left among evangelicals to messaging that conflated Republican & Christian, the assimilation was sufficiently complete.

Idk, there's almost an infinite amount of causes and drivers but there were a lot of bad turning points along the way.

In what feels like a past life I actually went to a influential seminary in the early 00s, the few older professors we're academic and rigorous, the rest of the younger professors and the students themselves we're... bad, just really awful people with odd pathological relationships and furtive self serving behaviors, the amount of extremely insular "christian celebrity" worship was shocking to me at that age.

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