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Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

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I didn't know televangelist were a thing until a year or two ago, and remember having my mind blown (in a "but why" way). How is that a thing. Why do so many people fall for it? How do these people get discovered. The only reason I know about them is because of a meme YouTube video where a reporter drilled a televangelist on camera. Aside: may I propose we style the Internet variety as eVangelists?

I’ve genuinely gotta ask: is not having heard of this an age thing, or a location thing?

Location. Like male circumcision it simply doesnt exist outside of the USA, unless you count random african countries like Ghana.

No idea why, if anyone wants to enlighten me let me know.

Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

#32

What’s funny is if he promises eternal rewards instead of $$$ this isn’t illegal at all.

He’s a pastor, not a priest. They have a whole thing about indulgences. It’s kinda their founding prohibition.

Though based on this guy’s fundamental moral failings, that probably wouldn’t have stopped him…

Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

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post #17

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It's genuinely a difficult question because there are projects that have the exact same technical designs that are still legitimate projects. So how do you evaluate this? From my perspective it used to easier. I'd just look at the problems that the company was focusing on and ask: (1) are they solving a real issue (2) are they making a valid contribution with their solution? Normally both 1 and 2 would be eliminated…

By that standard dogecoin is a scam.

I think it is.

Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

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post #9
post #5

“Pastor for an online ministry” - the cool new way to say “televangelist,” and apparently just as trustworthy.

I didn't know televangelist were a thing until a year or two ago, and remember having my mind blown (in a "but why" way). How is that a thing. Why do so many people fall for it? How do these people get discovered. The only reason I know about them is because of a meme YouTube video where a reporter drilled a televangelist on camera. Aside: may I propose we style the Internet variety as eVangelists?

Im gonna nerd out here:

America has a long history of "preachers", and "evangelists". I was in a thread yesterday that referenced Johnny Appleseed who was ministering and planting nurserys.

There is "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinners_in_the_Hands_of_an_Ang... ) That continues to be looked at and dwelled upon.

This carries through into modern times... Sam Kinison who was a famous and very distinct comedian gets a lot of his style from being a tent revival style preacher (You can watch is comedy that is very NSFW and his preaching its an interesting counter point). Mind you Sam is a contemporary of Jim Baker (a massive scandal that makes this one look small), and his wife Tammy Fay. And in the very present The show The Righteous Gemstones makes fun of the excess and money that preachers can generate.

Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

#35
post #15

This was clearly the work of the devil...

That's the gist if it, isn't it? If the scam works it's Divine Providence, but if the scam blows up in their face then the devil made them do it. What matters the most is that it's never their responsibility and thus they are never responsible and accountable for anything they do.

Under christian theology the devil made me do it isn't an excuse it's a condemnation. The blame still lies entirely with you. That is in fact the whole point.

Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

#36

What’s funny is if he promises eternal rewards instead of $$$ this isn’t illegal at all.

He’s a pastor, not a priest. They have a whole thing about indulgences. It’s kinda their founding prohibition. Though based on this guy’s fundamental moral failings, that probably wouldn’t have stopped him…

That's a brilliant idea: indulgences on the blockchain!

Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

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post #9
post #5

“Pastor for an online ministry” - the cool new way to say “televangelist,” and apparently just as trustworthy.

I didn't know televangelist were a thing until a year or two ago, and remember having my mind blown (in a "but why" way). How is that a thing. Why do so many people fall for it? How do these people get discovered. The only reason I know about them is because of a meme YouTube video where a reporter drilled a televangelist on camera. Aside: may I propose we style the Internet variety as eVangelists?

The son of some family friends decided one day to suddenly give up his life and devote 100% of it to some guru in India. He was moderately religious christian, as most are here in Norway, and I'd spent a lot of time with him as we were of similar age and our families met regularly through our childhood. As such I knew him as quite bright and well informed.

Suddenly he was devoting all his time to studying rites and rituals, almost cutting out contact with is family, and taking up extra jobs so he could send money to this guru.

My dad met this guru once when he visited here in Norway. My dad said he spent way more time talking about the stock market than anything spiritual.

Yet to this day, a couple of decades later, their son is still laboring hard for this guy.

I did get to speak to him a few times after he had converted. For me this whole thing was utterly bewildering.

Looking back at us growing up, I suppose what he was seeking was somewhere to belong. It wasn't about this or that religion specifically, that seemed almost incidental, looking in from the outside.

His life had gotten a new meaning: follow these rites and rituals, and do whatever this guy says. In return he got a sense of belonging.

Still really weird to me, and still very hard for his parents. But their son willingly and with open eyes embraced this.

I've reflected on this several times, and my conclusion is that some people just want to believe, so they can belong.

Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

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post #11

How do you tell a scam coin from a non scam one? It's like a cult vs a religion, as far as I can tell the only difference is popularity.

Money corrupts; bitcoin corrupts absolutely.

https://www.cynicusrex.com/file/cryptocultscience.html

Re: Colorado pastor charged for cryptocurrency scam he perpetrated at God's command

#39
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve genuinely gotta ask: is not having heard of this an age thing, or a location thing?

Location. Like male circumcision it simply doesnt exist outside of the USA, unless you count random african countries like Ghana. No idea why, if anyone wants to enlighten me let me know.

Kinda a naive statement. Around 1/3 of males in the world are circumcised with highest rates in the US, Middle East, and South Korea.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/16194-circu...

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