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Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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Post by QuantumGood »

geerlingguy wrote: post #37
7thaccount wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"don't trust the success of anyone who talks a lot about how successful they are" Always good advice. Someone sent me one of those day trader Bros that constantly shows their Lambo and I immediately saw warning lights. I had to tell my buddy that he didn't get the Lambo trading...he got it off suckers who think there's a magical formula for average Joe to make millions with nearly zero risk.

Or more likely he rents/leases or otherwise borrows it to make the social posts and it will be repossessed at some point, always a good possibility. It's amazing how some people can pull a long con.

Today's "otherwise borrows" is AI-generated

Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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Post by tkgally »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #73
matsemann wrote: post #63

Off topic, but on Friday the minister of Science and Higher Education in Norway had to step down, after someone found out about 22 % of her master thesis was plagiarized. Why did someone look into this? Because she and her department is taking a case against a student to our highest court about "self plagiarism", which everyone thinks is unfair. So quite ironic she was the real plagiarist. And then media jumped on th…

Is there documentation of this 22% figure? The implication is that it's large paragraphs of solid work stolen from a fellow researcher in the field. But it could just as easily mean 22% of her text was scattered with cliches, idioms and excerpts from legislation (or other standard texts) if someone with an agenda was interpreting the results.

Wikipedia has details:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Borch_and_Ingvild_Kjerk...

Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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Post by MattGaiser »

Erratic6576 wrote: post #56
MattGaiser wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was in high school/university, they taught us that plagarism was taking even ideas and reusing them directly. Copying a sentence like that was an explicit example, even if generic. We were told that it gets suspicious at even 4 more complex words that are the same. Even reusing your own work between classes was an example of plagiarism. Plagiarism, at least as presented to me, is a very strict standard.

I’ve heard that about self-plagiarism and I think it’s idiotic. You should be able to reuse your own sentences or ideas. Specially ideas. Which cannot be copyrighted (yet). Somebody show cage Michael Tomasello right now. Open any of his books and you’ll see a series of self-plagiarism sentences. I now think he’s just a genius because he’s investigated his field in depth

I assume it is a combo of schools wanting to extract more original output and wanting to know precisely where an idea originated/was originally published, i.e. which paper.

But happily it is not a concept outside academia.

Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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Post by drited »

gumby wrote: post #69
Havoc wrote: post #43

If it wasn't for the dates I'd say that's LLM completion at play. If you think about copilot etc...that would produce the same pattern. Fragments being obviously matching existing work. Not sure I'd go quite as far as calling an author a plagiarist on the basis of specific short fragments matching. It would need bit more of an overarching say plotline matching or similar. Who here hasn't copied some code off stack ov…

> Who here hasn't copied some code off stack overflow? How do you know it’s correct for your need without actually reading and internalizing it? It might even be correct…but not compute what you thought it does. Plugging code from SO into your program is like assuming that if your program compiles it must be correct.

Why do you jump to the conclusion that they didn't read and internalise it after they copied it? That would be stupid and most on here are not stupid.

Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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Post by plagiarist »

7thaccount wrote: post #17
isoprophlex wrote: post #4

Whoa, that's thorough. Damning, easily replicable, overwhelming evidence that this guy is indeed a fraud. > He runs the Self Publishing Formula course and podcast, he talks at the 20BooksTo50K conference in Vegas, and he’s part of a new initiative called Fuse Publishing. He’s a pretty big deal in self-publishing, so what he does reflects on self-publishing as a whole. Like instagram "buy my course to learn how I got…

>"don't trust the success of anyone who talks a lot about how successful they are" Always good advice. Someone sent me one of those day trader Bros that constantly shows their Lambo and I immediately saw warning lights. I had to tell my buddy that he didn't get the Lambo trading...he got it off suckers who think there's a magical formula for average Joe to make millions with nearly zero risk.

When I used to watch more YouTube they constantly had ads where some trading bro is offering to share the secret to making money.

Why not just use it on himself instead? This guy has paid money out of the kindness of his heart to make sure the public knows about this bulletproof money making technique.

Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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Post by w0de0 »

tompccs wrote: post #15

Not defending the practice, but this guy writes the modern equivalent of pulp fiction. I doubt his readers care much, and he has no publisher to tick off. So what it comes down to is whether or not the people he stole from have a strong case to sue him for copyright infringement.

“The modern equivalent of pulp fiction…” is pulp fiction. It isn’t some antique term connoting a dross sui generis (as that’s an oxymoron). Pablum is literacy’s unalterable, insuperable attendant.

Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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Post by matwood »

matsemann wrote: post #63

Off topic, but on Friday the minister of Science and Higher Education in Norway had to step down, after someone found out about 22 % of her master thesis was plagiarized. Why did someone look into this? Because she and her department is taking a case against a student to our highest court about "self plagiarism", which everyone thinks is unfair. So quite ironic she was the real plagiarist. And then media jumped on th…

> So quite ironic she was the real plagiarist.

"A man does not look behind the door unless he has stood there himself." - W.E.B. Du Bois

Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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Post by ghaff »

Erratic6576 wrote: post #56
MattGaiser wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was in high school/university, they taught us that plagarism was taking even ideas and reusing them directly. Copying a sentence like that was an explicit example, even if generic. We were told that it gets suspicious at even 4 more complex words that are the same. Even reusing your own work between classes was an example of plagiarism. Plagiarism, at least as presented to me, is a very strict standard.

I’ve heard that about self-plagiarism and I think it’s idiotic. You should be able to reuse your own sentences or ideas. Specially ideas. Which cannot be copyrighted (yet). Somebody show cage Michael Tomasello right now. Open any of his books and you’ll see a series of self-plagiarism sentences. I now think he’s just a genius because he’s investigated his field in depth

It depends on the context.

Schools may have codes of conduct that implicitly or explicitly prohibit turning in the same paper for multiple classes. A publishing contract may specify that an article is original.

As others have mentioned though reusing both your own and other product descriptions, explainers, slides/data, etc. especially within a single company is pretty normal and accepted.

Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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Post by malfist »

toxik wrote: post #74
smeej wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got accused of plagiarizing myself once, and I've never even figured out what that phrase means. Isn't the assumption supposed to be that anything I haven't cited is my idea? What does it matter if it's not the first time I had the idea? It's not less mine because I still have it. I could sort of understand if I had published it somewhere and somehow given rights to it to another party, but this was just some rando…

You cannot copy from yourself. Reusing material and passing it off as new, no matter its author, is plagiarism.

I'm sorry but what?

If I can't grant myself rights to my work, then who can?

Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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Post by haizhung »

toxik wrote: post #74
smeej wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got accused of plagiarizing myself once, and I've never even figured out what that phrase means. Isn't the assumption supposed to be that anything I haven't cited is my idea? What does it matter if it's not the first time I had the idea? It's not less mine because I still have it. I could sort of understand if I had published it somewhere and somehow given rights to it to another party, but this was just some rando…

You cannot copy from yourself. Reusing material and passing it off as new, no matter its author, is plagiarism.

+1, my layman’s understanding of this was:

Assume you write a bachelor thesis on topic X. Then, move universities (or professors, whatever), and write more or less the same thesis again to get a masters degree.

That’s self plagiarism.

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