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Re: Tell HN: Russia has started blocking OpenVPN/WireGuard connections

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Ah, I thought you were speaking from a Historical perspective, not very recent events. I will not dismiss some failures of character of some Western leaders, and questionable moments in modern democracies... but answering your question: in comparison to modern Russia, yes, those anecdotes are laughable. None of the Western leaders has murdered or attempted to murder political opposition through several methods of ass…

Again, laughable. You don’t need to compare the West to anything to see draconian overtones. (Well, only if literally, to Draco.)

The point here is that Russia is only comparable to North Korea and Iran, which are rogue nations.

But it's good that you uphold West as the ultimate standard of civilization, to the point that you get triggered about anecdotes.

Re: Tell HN: Russia has started blocking OpenVPN/WireGuard connections

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This is HN not PN. I do realize HN is full of libertarian spoiled youth (and spoiled not-so-youth-already including myself) but I don't want to teach anyone how to live.

The time will show.

I do understand libertarians. I personally was really unhappy to see more and more "regular people" getting internet access since the late 90s. Now the Internet is full of crap. I have trouble finding stuff that was easy to find in, say, 2010.

I do miss "the underground days" of FidoNet. And underground is total denial of the mainstream. But the Internet is not just the mainstream, it's the infrastructure now.

I grew up in Moscow in the 80s-90s and my passion for computers somewhat saved me from the street influence but OTOH I did have the Anarchist's cookbook, for instance, precisely b/c of the computers. Absolutely unregulated. That is I'm sort of the early kind of spoiled kids.

Most Russians had enough of 90s with child prostitution, heroine, skinheads etc. They just want unspoiled kids to continue rebuild the country they lost in 90s but better. They don't need BLM/LGBT/whatever extreme stuff in the mainstream. There's place for that and it's called underground.

Also, I think English-speaking Internet may be viewing modern Russian at least as oppressive as the USSR but this isn't true IMO. They have learnt the lesson and do realize that prohibiting and classifying almost everything is not the way. As well as basing regulations, policies and even international affairs on ideological principles.

That's is the system is very much interested in the existence of underground. It's similar to how enforcing customs regulations totally has turned out to be too expensive and bad for economy. Some expert in the area said that ~10% of smuggling is a healthy balance.

Another example. I once talked to a guy from Sochi who told me that during the preparation of the 2014 Olympics some local hippies were approached by special "people in civilian clothes". The hippies have been told something like: we know you grow shrooms and weed, and that's OK, no worries, but we need you to stay away off during the Olympics.

Yet another example. While visiting the village where my grand-grandfather was born I heard that they got their own potheads and shroom eaters, in the next village or something. Everyone knows about that, police included.

Dumb enforcement never works well for such things. Just remember how desperately the Russian Empire was trying to make the Ashkenazi cultivating the land. The government gave them the rich black earth in Novorossia. That worked perfectly for many of the Germans and the Greeks but not so much for the Ashkenazi. The government didn't want to understand that this just wasn't something Ashkenazi would like to do.

Also, I think most of those young kids thinking they're protecting freedom of speech are just acting like offended children how ran away from home. For how long can they survive? Even if they can, is it good for them? The Soviet Union was a very parentalistic system that everybody was fed up with. People thought that with the destruction of the Union they'll only get freedom. In reality the not only got freedom but lost many things they were taking for granted like free health care and education, science and significant part of the industry.

Re: Tell HN: Russia has started blocking OpenVPN/WireGuard connections

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Russian here, living in Russia. My paid VPN provider stopped working months ago. Then my self-hosted Outline server stopped working. Then my self-hosted OpenVPN stopped working too. Both were hosten on Digital Ocean (Frankfurt). What currently works for me is self-hosted Outline running on an US server, but I suspect that won't last long. Looks like I have no choice but to learn how to self-host XRay. A smart friend…

(Sorry, this is possibly just my naivety here) - Would Mullvad+WireGuard still be an option?

https://mullvad.net/en/help/connecting-to-mullvad-vpn-from-r...

(And allows you to pay by posting cash or paying by cryptocurrency)

Re: Tell HN: Russia has started blocking OpenVPN/WireGuard connections

#234

Working around DPI blocks is possible as long as you can get your hands on foreign VPS. Just invent your own protocol and use it for yourself. Wrap it with HTTPS or even HTTP, nobody's has resources to analyse every single website protocol. However some huge ingress/egress traffic to unknown website with few random pages looks very suspiciously. So it's possible to select those websites using statistics analysis. Now…

> Working around DPI blocks is possible as long as you can get your hands on foreign VPS. Just invent your own protocol and use it for yourself. Wrap it with HTTPS or even HTTP, nobody's has resources to analyse every single website protocol.

Some firewalls will simply drop those protocols.

Re: Tell HN: Russia has started blocking OpenVPN/WireGuard connections

#235

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> being far from the front lines is better than being near them Kherson is less than 5 km from the active war zone. Northern parts of Kharkiv oblast have a Russian border nearby, with Russian recon groups routinely trying to infiltrate. > can't talk freely either I have several friends currently in Ukraine. None of them is scared of expressing their political views, neither IRL nor on the internets. None of them supp…

> the arrest was lawful He was arrested for political speech, which is ipso facto an unjust violation of his fundamental human rights and of natural law. Putin's Russia also has "laws" that justify the arrest of dissidents, doesn't make it OK. (And many of the other people on Lira's list were simply summarily executed, without any trial or other legal process)

It seems you apply US laws to the rest of the world. Ukraine is not part of the US, it’s a part of Europe. In Europe, the legal systems are rather different.

For example, public display of Nazi symbols in the US is a protected free speech under the first amendment. However, the same action in many other countries is a crime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bans_on_Nazi_symbols This doesn’t make governments of France or Belgium “thuggish regimes”.

Re: Tell HN: Russia has started blocking OpenVPN/WireGuard connections

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post #210

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It's called sarcasm.

The circumstances suggest that it's probably just a simple error and not sarcasm. Not everyone in the world really loves sarcasm so much. People who use it frequently are usually trying to mask a poor imagination and small vocabulary. So I prefer to believe it's just a simple mistake. No big deal.

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Re: Tell HN: Russia has started blocking OpenVPN/WireGuard connections

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Bashkiria is heating up with thousands on the streets for two days in a row, plus moscow rolling blackouts just kicked in.

The Ural federal district is the testing site for the ASBI (АСБИ).

What blackouts are you talking about? I'm in Moscow. Never heard of that.

Re: Tell HN: Russia has started blocking OpenVPN/WireGuard connections

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post #167

Russian here, living in Russia. My paid VPN provider stopped working months ago. Then my self-hosted Outline server stopped working. Then my self-hosted OpenVPN stopped working too. Both were hosten on Digital Ocean (Frankfurt). What currently works for me is self-hosted Outline running on an US server, but I suspect that won't last long. Looks like I have no choice but to learn how to self-host XRay. A smart friend…

I was so hopeful in the beginning of 90s. There was sense of harmony all over the Northern hemisphere. But then Russia started to quickly become more and more aggressive, yes, first in the rhetoric, but then Putin came and the shit became real. Now I understand that the Russian society first had a kind of agreement with him - they don't mind the politics and Putin doesn't mind them. It looks like it has played out we…

I was a teenager during the 90s in Moscow and share none of your sentiment.

Yes, we lost the Cold War. NATO won. Understood.

We got child prostitution, heroine epidemics, kids inhaling acetone vapors from glue to get hi in basements, together with so called 'democracy'. Also lost significant part of science and industry, free education and health care.

Something's terribly missing from you "harmony". Sorry, but this seems like ignorance.

Re: Tell HN: Russia has started blocking OpenVPN/WireGuard connections

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post #93

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Shadowsocks does work against MITM attacks by my US ISP Comcast though. It is great software.

Wouldn’t plain WireGuard also do that?

WireGuard is a lot heavier than shadowsocks-libev. shadowsocks-libev is literally under 5MB of ram used and very little CPU. Also very quick to compile and config. WireGuard is a full fledged heavy VPN. Shadowsocks can be used as a simple socks proxy if you want; and that's plenty for stopping Comcast from injecting malicious javascript into my HTTP connections.
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