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I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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wikipedia articla here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Dawson_(writer)

> In 2020, Dawson's book The Cleaner reached number 8 in the Hardback Fiction section of The Sunday Times' bestseller list after he purchased 400 copies of the book, seeing it to have previously been in position number 13 The scumbaggery is endemic, not isolated to creative repurposing of other people's sentences!

Is that all it takes to get from 13 to 8!? I guess nobody reads anymore.

Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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wikipedia articla here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Dawson_(writer)

> In 2020, Dawson's book The Cleaner reached number 8 in the Hardback Fiction section of The Sunday Times' bestseller list after he purchased 400 copies of the book, seeing it to have previously been in position number 13 The scumbaggery is endemic, not isolated to creative repurposing of other people's sentences!

That sounds more serious. That's literally fraud, unlike taking random sentences you liked from other books, which is quite benign, in my opinion.

Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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If it wasn't for the dates I'd say that's LLM completion at play.

If you think about copilot etc...that would produce the same pattern. Fragments being obviously matching existing work.

Not sure I'd go quite as far as calling an author a plagiarist on the basis of specific short fragments matching. It would need bit more of an overarching say plotline matching or similar.

Who here hasn't copied some code off stack overflow?

Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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It’s a collage of flowery phrases taken from here and there. I don’t think it’s plagiarism, because it involves copying larger chunks than a convenient paragraph. Originality is the art of hiding your sources, which has become utterly impossible nowadays with the search engines. If he had studied after the 2010s, he would have paraphrased a bit more to confuse google

When I was in high school/university, they taught us that plagarism was taking even ideas and reusing them directly. Copying a sentence like that was an explicit example, even if generic. We were told that it gets suspicious at even 4 more complex words that are the same. Even reusing your own work between classes was an example of plagiarism. Plagiarism, at least as presented to me, is a very strict standard.

I know that definition of plagiarism exists in schools (how broadly I couldn't say) but it's completely incoherent and unused in any other context.

Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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> In 2020, Dawson's book The Cleaner reached number 8 in the Hardback Fiction section of The Sunday Times' bestseller list after he purchased 400 copies of the book, seeing it to have previously been in position number 13 The scumbaggery is endemic, not isolated to creative repurposing of other people's sentences!

That sounds more serious. That's literally fraud, unlike taking random sentences you liked from other books, which is quite benign, in my opinion.

How is that fraud?

Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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I still don't see how this is a crime though, I mean sure, he has a sense of inspiration and borrows sentences and phrases from somewhere. But, that doesn't mean the entire plots of his books, or the primary reason they sell is because of him stealing a few sentences from others.

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Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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Did they find real plagiarism that was obviously fraudulent or did someone cite an author improperly. I know in academic circles it's basically the same, but some things I've seen recently accusing people of plagiarism are just draconian IMO like they cited the person, but screwed up the quotes somehow.

More than 20% of her thesis was copied almost verbatim from other sources [1], including typos [2], mostly without citation. This wasn't discovered at the time (2014) What's more - self-plagiarism has been a huge topic in the university sector and the Minister has been quite strict towards students re-using text on exams without citation (to their own previous exams), with several cases going to the court. [1] https:…

Thanks for the reply and insight. It sounds like what I would call fraudulent plagiarism based on your reply and links. 20% is pretty crazy. Especially the hypocrisy.

Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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I'm not really convinced by this or several other recent plagiarism scandals. I have some experience of using the automated tools and I think people get a false sense of confidence from them, both in the sense of "this was definately copied from X" (rather than a shared original source) and "this is morally wrong, because the computer said so". The example of the music description for example. It's obviously lifted f…

At least as how plagiarism was defined for me in school, it is a extremely unforgiving and sensitive standard. Having more than 5 shared words could be plagiarism. An idea taken could be plagiarism. Reusing work between classes that you wrote could be plagiarism.

So I guess it depends on how plagiarism is defined and perhaps how we define it should be revisited, but whether it be Christine Gay, Neri Oxman, or Mark Dawson, by that standard they are all caught red handed plagiarists.

On the other hand, only in cases of egregious and intentional plagiarism was it considered a major failing.

Re: I believe bestselling author Mark Dawson is a serial plagiarist

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>"don't trust the success of anyone who talks a lot about how successful they are" Always good advice. Someone sent me one of those day trader Bros that constantly shows their Lambo and I immediately saw warning lights. I had to tell my buddy that he didn't get the Lambo trading...he got it off suckers who think there's a magical formula for average Joe to make millions with nearly zero risk.

Or more likely he rents/leases or otherwise borrows it to make the social posts and it will be repossessed at some point, always a good possibility. It's amazing how some people can pull a long con.

A fair point and one I didn't even think of. At this point in my life I prefer more family time to anything like a luxury car. My old car gets me around town just fine.
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