Well, at least for sdxl it's not working neither in LoRa nor dreambooth finetunes.
Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
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Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
That pretty clearly would fall under transformative work. It is not illegal for a human to paint a painting in the style of, say, Banksy, and then sell the resulting painting.
Humans and AI are not the same thing, legally or physically. The law does not currently grant AI rights of any kind.
What's not prohibited is allowed, at least in the US.
Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#243I want progressive fees on copyright/IP/patent usage, and worldwide gov cooperation/legislation (and perhaps even worldwide ability to use works without obtaining initial permission, although let's not go into that outlandish stuff)
I want a scaling license fee to apply (e.g. % pegged to revenue. This still has an indirect problem with different industries having different profit margins, but still seems the fairest).
And I want the world (or EU, then others to follow suit) to slowly reduce copyright to 0 years* after artists death if owned by a person, and 20-30 years max if owned by a corporation.
And I want the penalties for not declaring usage** / not paying fees, to be incredibly high for corporations... 50% gross (harder) / net (easier) profit margin for the year? Something that isn't a slap on the wrist and can't be wriggled out of quite so easily, and is actually an incentive not to steal in the first place.)
[*]or whatever society deems appropriate.
[**]Until auto-detection (for better or worse) gets good enough.
IMO that would allow personal use, encourages new entrants to market, encourages innovation, incentivises better behaviour from OpenAI et al.
Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#244The number of people who are going to be able to produce high fidelity art with off the shelf tools in the near future is unbelievable. It’s pretty exciting. Being able to find a mix of styles you like and apply them to new subjects to make your own unique, personalized, artwork sounds like a wickedly cool power to give to billions of people.
And we only had to alienate millions of people from their labor to do it.
Absolutely agree we should allow people to accumulate equity through effective allocation of their labor.
And I also agree that we shouldn’t build systems that alienate people from that accumulated equity.
Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#245This is the DRM problem again. However much we might wish that it was not true, ideas are not rivalrous. If you share an idea with another person, they now have that idea too. If you share words on paper, then someone with eyes and a brain might memorize them (or much more likely, just grasp and retain the ideas conveyed in the words). If you let someone hear your music, then the ideas (phrasing, style, melody, etc)…
Being able to fairly monetise your creative work and put food on the table is a bit rivalrous though, don’t you think?
The tragedy of "your business model is not my problem" as a spreading idea is that while you're right since distribution is where the money is (not creation), intellectual property is de-facto weakened today and IP piracy is widely considered an acceptable thing.
Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
It absolutely is DRM, just a different form than media encryption. It's a purely-digital mechanism of enforcing rights.
It doesn’t enforce any rights. It modifies the actual image. Humans and computers still have equal, open access to it.
That's true of almost all DRM, isn't it? Even for the most annoying form that is always-online DRM, everyone is provided the same access to the bytes that form a game. You and I have the same bytes of game.
It's the purpose of some of those bytes that turns it into DRM.
Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
And we only had to alienate millions of people from their labor to do it.
Yeah, sadly those millions of people don’t matter in the grand scheme of things and were never going to profit off their work long term
What a bummer of a thing to say.
Those millions/billions of people matter a great deal.
Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#248Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah okay, I get your meaning now, I'll edit my original comment too. Though we already have an established precedent in-between, that of Photoshop allowing artists to be, easily, 10x faster then the best painters previously. i.e. Right now 'AI' artistry could be considered a turbo-Photoshop.
Tool improvements only apply a constant factor to the effectiveness of learning. Creating a generative model applies an unbounded factor to the effectiveness of learning because, as I said, the only limit is how much computing resources are available to humanity. If a single person was able to copy themselves at practically no cost and the copy retained all the knowledge of the original then the two situations would…
Right, but the 'unbounded factor' is irrelevant because the output will quickly trend into random noise.
And only the most interesting top few million art pieces will actually attract the attention of any concrete individual.
For a current example, there's already billions of man-hours worth of AI spam writing, indexed by Google, that is likely not actually read by even a single person on Earth.
Re: Nightshade: An offensive tool for artists against AI art generators
#250The number of people who are going to be able to produce high fidelity art with off the shelf tools in the near future is unbelievable. It’s pretty exciting. Being able to find a mix of styles you like and apply them to new subjects to make your own unique, personalized, artwork sounds like a wickedly cool power to give to billions of people.
It'll be about as wickedly tool as the ability to get on the internet, e.g. commoditized, transactional, and boring.