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Re: Tell HN: Russia has started blocking OpenVPN/WireGuard connections

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post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China at least, isn’t a strong rule of law country, rather it is more of a rule by law one. So if they want to get you, they’ll find some law to get you on, and if they don’t, they won’t go after you for using a VPN or other minor offenses. So I wouldn’t really worry about it.

Are there any other types of countries? Note: you don't need to put something into law to silence someone. If necessary anyone can be canceled. Everybody is "guilty" but select few are prosecuted. Therefore the real power belongs to those who decides what issues can be ignored.

Yes, they are. There is a world of difference. In the West you normal people have so much power they do not even realise. You see that when you live outside it.

In the West there is a long History of institutions(like cities) that went against the abuses of the people in charge. You were a servant, you entered a city(burg) you became free, the city protected you. This happened for centuries. In China something like that happened at specific periods, but eventually the Emperor took all the power.

In China the Emperor or the Tzar in Russia could do anything. In Russia those that wanted freedom lost every single time. If a servant entered a city and the city did not deliver the fugitive, the Tzar will burn the city. The same happened with the Soviets. You want your own food? We will kill you all and send your children and wife to Siberia. Everybody else(not the Emperor) were servant. Now Xi or Putin are the new emperors, like Lenin, Stalin or Mao were.

I have lived in China as a privileged engineer/expatriate.

Basically most people have no idea what a country without rule of law(like China) is.

>If necessary anyone can be canceled. Or you can cancel them. You consider yourself a victim, a nobody, but people can get public and get a million views and could do real damage to those in power.

Re: Tell HN: Russia has started blocking OpenVPN/WireGuard connections

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post #156

I have the fortune to reside in Russia-controlled Donbas. Over here they have been blocking all WireGuard connections for a long time. OpenVPN seems to be blocked selectively depending on the host. The government and commerce must need it more than WireGuard. It isn't consistent. Different ISPs block different hosts and protocols at different times. I assume we are a kind of test and staging environment for censorshi…

You might see some confused faces. To most English speakers "fortune" mostly means good, unless it is preceded by something that specifies that it is bad fortune, like "ill fortune" or misfortune.

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Re: Tell HN: Russia has started blocking OpenVPN/WireGuard connections

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I had a friend recently visit China and he needed access to the real internet and the VPN providers he had used before were blocked.

It took me all of 10 minutes to set up a OpenVPN server in East Asia on DigitalOcean. The container even comes with a client installer that has the parameters preloaded.

Worked fine.

Re: Tell HN: Russia has started blocking OpenVPN/WireGuard connections

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I have the fortune to reside in Russia-controlled Donbas. Over here they have been blocking all WireGuard connections for a long time. OpenVPN seems to be blocked selectively depending on the host. The government and commerce must need it more than WireGuard. It isn't consistent. Different ISPs block different hosts and protocols at different times. I assume we are a kind of test and staging environment for censorshi…

They called the Chinese to help with their experience like 6 months after the start of the war as they realised some young people could access news outside the official channels.

They have been testing it since then.

In China once their AI systems or whatever decides that you are using a VPN you will be punished by increasingly blocking your Internet for more and more time.

Re: Tell HN: Russia has started blocking OpenVPN/WireGuard connections

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post #109

It's worth mentioning that the Russian government has a plan to completely detach the country from the wider Internet. This system has already been tested and is available at the flick of a switch. Unfortunately, it's probably a matter of time until this system is activated for real and the Iron Curtain drops to the floor. Then Putin will find some way to blame the West and rally against us.

I don't believe that this is coming. It would have large economic costs (how to conduct international business with "friendly" countries? etc. etc.), would piss off a significant share of the population (e.g. online gamers) etc. It's just not worth it.

For countries like Russia, the goal isn't necessarily to cut off all connections, the goal is to discourage it, make it expensive, annoying, slow, so that a large majority of the population will opt to use the Russian internet.

Re: Tell HN: Russia has started blocking OpenVPN/WireGuard connections

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post #21

I wonder how this will affect political discourse in the USA. Legitimate question. I’m not concerned with “sides”, more interested to know if there will be less “division/fiery rhetoric”. There seems to have been a systemic psyops campaign from foreign actors into US political “hot” topics.

It's also possible that Russian troll factories still have their own VPN to outside the Russian firewall.

It's not just possible, it's very, very likely.

Re: Tell HN: Russia has started blocking OpenVPN/WireGuard connections

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post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia produces more container ships by tonnage than the US with a fraction of the population, to pick just one example of many. Before SpaceX, the US was dependent on them for rides to the ISS. They produce some of the most formidable and battle-tested military-technical systems in the world. How exactly is that a failed state? Seems like you want other people to make the same decision you did since maybe you’re uns…

Stalin managed to kill more Russians and Ukranians than Germany did during both world wars combined. Putin is turning the country into a geriatric corpse because young people who have other options leave and those who can't get killed in the war or don't want to bring children into this kind of future. A functioning state has to at least keep it's residents from getting mass murdered or facing such a bleak future tha…

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