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Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by gtirloni »

someotherperson wrote: post #236
ralusek wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> especially given how mediocre 95% of production has been in recent years Okay, then don’t watch it. If you’re watching it, though, you should pay for it. Your logic is the equivalent of going out to restaurants to eat, and then not paying because “restaurants aren’t good these days.”

It's probably closer to having to pay a monthly subscription fee to eat at the restaurant. And you actually have to get six different subscriptions at different restaurants because each one has a different rotating menu. And you're not allowed to share your food with your friends because they don't live with you -- they each need their own subscription. And no to-go boxes, you gotta eat it right there at the restaura…

The analogy doesn't hold because piracy in that scenario would be going to one of those subscription-based restaurants and getting their food but not paying. We go back full circle to the comment you were replying to.

You could argue piracy is going to the chef's place and eating their food before it gets to the restaurant for distribution, now the chef is angry too.

Not a good analogy.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by mock-possum »

mort96 wrote: post #335
someotherperson wrote: post #196

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Piracy is largely a convenience issue, not just a financial issue. When Netflix's streaming platform rolled around people were largely happy to stop pirating, when Netflix's catalog fragmented across two dozen different services that forbid account sharing then piracy became a thing again for many people who stopped pirating. I had a Paramount+ subscription (alongside Disney, Netflix, Amazon, Apple TV) and wanted to…

When I pirate, it's sometimes based on convenience or quality (where else can I download DRM-free blu-ray quality movies? Or a band's discography lossless?), but other times, it's certainly about money. For example, I don't use FL studio anywhere near enough to warrant paying for it (I have literally just opened it a couple of times to play with it), but paying for a license would have been less work than pirating it…

$250 for Windows?? You’re off by an order of magnitude, just buy it from a reseller:

g2a.com/search?query=Windows

I’ve never had a problem with that site.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by dangus »

someotherperson wrote: post #196
swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Piracy is largely a convenience issue, not just a financial issue. When Netflix's streaming platform rolled around people were largely happy to stop pirating, when Netflix's catalog fragmented across two dozen different services that forbid account sharing then piracy became a thing again for many people who stopped pirating. I had a Paramount+ subscription (alongside Disney, Netflix, Amazon, Apple TV) and wanted to…

Most of the problems you had were self-imposed to be fair.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by unnamed76ri »

crazygringo wrote: post #328
unnamed76ri wrote: post #277

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You’re looking at it wrong. That $4 per song! What artist only releases one song ever? Spotify and other streaming platforms pay royalties to an artist’s distributor and that aggregate of royalties from all platforms gets paid out to the artist when they reach the distributor’s threshold. Spotify is making that money no longer exist at all for indie artists.

Ah sorry, I hadn't picked up on that -- thanks. But it still doesn't change the overall point at all. So if you've got 2 albums of 10 tracks each, then you need 1,000 listens of each album to reach a minimum payout of $80, which you've got an entire year to accumulate. So Spotify isn't on the low side -- it's comparable with AdSense's minimum payout of $100. But honestly, compared to the effort involved in producing…

You are correct. This isn’t really about income. It is the principle of the thing. Spotify is redistributing subscriber fees and ad revenue from the struggling artist to the record labels and superstars.

As I said in another comment, I’ve cancelled my account so in my case it is costing them more than they are saving. I’m also no longer sending fans to Spotify and this year not all of the music I release will make its way to Spotify.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by tombert »

fullstop wrote: post #345
screye wrote: post #231

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I mostly agree, but this tool is for spotify. Spotify is about as convieinient as a streaming music platform gets. That being said, most people (including me) happily pay for spotify, so your point still stands. I refuse to pay for a streaming platform that's not Netflix or prime. The former benefits from being grand fathered in and the latter is a free bonus on something I would buy anyway. It also sucks that cancel…

I pay for Prime, and we're soon to have ads unless you pay more to remove them. I wouldn't feel bad taking to the high seas while keeping the prime subscription. I'm at the point with other services where I will subscribe for a month or two in a given year, watch full seasons of what I want, and then cancel. Things like Max / Discovery / Whatever they call themselves this year are making this more difficult by removi…

Yeah, in regards to HBO Max, I signed up a couple years ago specifically to watch cartoons like Close Enough and Infinity Train. Not only were both those shows canceled but they were purged from HBO Max for streaming entirely.

I managed to buy legit copies of Infinity Train on Amazon, but now the only way that I am aware of to watch Close Enough is piracy.

The recent Amazon “pay us more or you get ads” thing feels a bit rent-seekey to me. I don’t watch Prime enough to justify paying an extra $3/month, and so I think what’s going to happen to me is that I just stop watching Prime entirely.

What really frustrates me is that companies are basically stopping releasing Blu-Rays, particularly for TV shows. I have over 400 legitimately purchased movies about about 40 complete series in Blu-Ray; I am more than happy to support creators by paying them a reasonable compensation, what I don’t want to do is pay those creators forever for the privilege of watching the same thing over and over.

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Post by gtirloni »

voidwtf wrote: post #284
swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Last night the family and I tried to watch Thor on Disney+. Everything appeared to be fine at first, but something was obviously off. The audio mix was screwed up really bad to where I could barely hear them speaking, and all the sound effects were basically non-existent, but the ambient music was extremely loud. I flipped over to Amazon Prime and rented it so we could continue our movie. I pay for Disney+, Disney go…

> decided to pirate it instead of the convenience of Prime video I wouldn’t have felt an ounce of guilt.

You shouldn't feel an ounce of guilty. Really. They've failed you and still got their money. You had to spent extra time to pirate so you'd get the level of service you already paid in the first place.

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Post by dangus »

screye wrote: post #231
someotherperson wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Piracy is largely a convenience issue, not just a financial issue. When Netflix's streaming platform rolled around people were largely happy to stop pirating, when Netflix's catalog fragmented across two dozen different services that forbid account sharing then piracy became a thing again for many people who stopped pirating. I had a Paramount+ subscription (alongside Disney, Netflix, Amazon, Apple TV) and wanted to…

I mostly agree, but this tool is for spotify. Spotify is about as convieinient as a streaming music platform gets. That being said, most people (including me) happily pay for spotify, so your point still stands. I refuse to pay for a streaming platform that's not Netflix or prime. The former benefits from being grand fathered in and the latter is a free bonus on something I would buy anyway. It also sucks that cancel…

> then give me a payment plan that allows me to pay for an expiring subscription. Simple.

All the streaming services do that. You just subscribe then immediately cancel. You’ll get service for a month until your time runs out.

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Post by john-radio »

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Part of your point seems to be that the OP, being a software engineer, should not have to pirate Spotify since presumably they have access to money. But that's not really the case for all devs, and moreover, nobody who isn't a dev is able to make a tool like this in the first place.

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Post by jeegsy »

swozey wrote: post #233
maroonblazer wrote: post #222

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Kind of related to this mentality, perhaps: On Sam Harris's most recent episode of "Making Sense" with TED's Chris Anderson[0] he shared a Reddit conversation he came across where people were discussing whether or not they subscribe, i.e., pay, for his podcast: >> I spectated upon this [Reddit] thread, something around "Do you support Sam's podcast and and you if do, why or why not?" and someone said "Well I would su…

What even is that? Just straight up entitlement? Ignorance to the situation? Just not caring? He has a great point, I can't think of any times I've ever asked those questions unless I thought the book author was grifting, where I'd go "Oh they're dog whistling to their flock for sales." I never thought "I hope mac miller doesn't use this $20 for drugs" buying mac miller albums..

That's the question isn't it? If its entitlement as you say, why feel it with a podcast and not books?

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Post by [deleted] »

andrepd wrote: post #205
swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Give me a link to download your game without spyware and I pay for that. I buy games on gog. I buy games without drm on steam. I absolutely refuse to install ring 0 Internet-connected malware on my computer to play a fucking game.

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