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Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by nlnn »

someotherperson wrote: post #196
swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Piracy is largely a convenience issue, not just a financial issue. When Netflix's streaming platform rolled around people were largely happy to stop pirating, when Netflix's catalog fragmented across two dozen different services that forbid account sharing then piracy became a thing again for many people who stopped pirating. I had a Paramount+ subscription (alongside Disney, Netflix, Amazon, Apple TV) and wanted to…

It's also about having more control over the viewing/listening experience for me. I pay for a bunch of services (Deezer/Netflix/Prime Video), but I'll often end up watching pirated versions of content I can legally watch on those platforms.

Often that's down to tons of annoyances and lack of control over the viewing/listening platform. E.g. in VLC or similar I can tweak subtitle positions, sizes, fonts etc. for the best viewing experience. I can nudge the audio back/forwards a bit if it's out of sync with the video.

It also means I don't have to deal with whatever nonsense the platform is trying to push on me. I don't want to be bombarded with ads for podcasts, I don't want to have various videos autoplay at me just because I've hovered over them for too long, I don't want giant animated album artwork taking up 90% of my mobile screen and wasting battery, I just want to listen to music and watch films, not interact with a platform/app that changes on the whims of some revenue-driven organisation.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

arthur_sav wrote: post #321
swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Good luck finding your favorite movie on Netflix. And Spotify keeps taking songs off their catalogue which ruins my favorite playlists and saved songs. To be fair, streaming services are usually not at fault here. They have to negotiate with the content owners. But at the end of the day, I don't care. Piracy still has place and it's not a money issue.

> To be fair, streaming services are usually not at fault here. They have to negotiate with the content owners

If their behavior has resulted in an ecosystem where the art doesn't reliably make it to the artists' audiences then perhaps they are a little bit at fault. That's their job and they're doing it poorly and they're big enough to influence the factors that constrain them if they cared about doing better.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by nouryqt »

andrepd wrote: post #213
swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvhv7bgmz64

In case anyone else wanted to check the Pokemon page. It's real https://www.pokemon.com/us/animation/where-to-watch-pokemon-...

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by hedora »

apwell23 wrote: post #158
jasode wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You're better off listening to music however you please and buying albums on Bandcamp to support the artists; Often, the "listening to music however you please" will contradict "buying albums on Bandcamp to support the artists" ... because the particular artists the listener wants to listen to are on a big label and thus, their albums are not on Bandcamp . The "buy on Bandcamp" advice only works if one likes to list…

it also sidesteps the whole discovery issue. I would love to know how that person is discovering music that they buy on bandcamp.

Any of the locally-run radio stations in the SF Bay Area are good choices:

https://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/locate?select=city&city=mo...

Here are some that I have found new music on (no particular order):

KZSC, KFJC, KZSU, KSJS, KCSM, KKUP, KSJO, KBCZ, KDFC, KPOO, KALX

There's also SomaFM.

It looks like Pirate Cat Radio finally sold out to The Man, and got a broadcast license for their transmitter. Need to check them out again:

https://kpcr.org/about/

Apparently, there are now a handful of high school radio stations around here too. Does that mean the cool kids have kids in high school now? I must be getting old.

Also, music podcasts are a thing. I like Dark Compass for metal.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by swozey »

thenoblesunfish wrote: post #342
swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Mostly agree, but I think that people have a reasonable desire to "own" the pieces of culture that are important to them. Especially with movies and TV, your access to the content, even if you "bought" it, is temporary. Where there is a fair way to purchase your own copy (e.g. Bandcamp for music, at the moment), that's great.

Oh I'm 100% for archiving and keeping the music around forever, even if the artist wants it gone honestly.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by traverseda »

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

I still pirate TV and movies, and that is to the best of my knowledge legal in my district. I sometimes pirate console video games, but pretty much never do if they're available on steam.

Piracy is a service problem, not a financial problem. I also do use patreon for some creators I enjoy.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by mock-possum »

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

How long have you been using Spotify?

It seems to me that at every opportunity, the team responsible for Spotify has made it worse. The UI is made significantly worse every major update. The only good thing I can think of that they’ve added over the past decade or so has been dark mode and I am not exaggerating. Have you seen the state of playlists and sorting/filtering options? You know, one of the most important things about music software?

Literally the only reason I’m using (and paying for) Spotify now is that there isn’t a legitimate competitor to switch to. Spotify is not worthy of respect of loyalty and it’s certainly not deserving of not being pirated from.

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Post by ruune »

junon wrote: post #247
swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Living in Germany, but I'm an american. Signed up for Crunchy Roll. Most the shows my friends are recommending are region locked. The remaining ones are mostly German-dubbed only, with no subtitles. Most don't have original Japanese either. Only a handful I want to watch actually have subs or English dubs. It's not like I don't want to pay for this stuff but when it's a huge conditional tree of if I'm going to have a…

It's really not that bad. CrunchyRoll has _almost_ everything, especially since Sony bought Funimation and AOD shut down. Some of the real Blockbusters miss sometimes (Oshi no ko, Cyberpunk, Pluto, etc.) because those are the ones that are worth it for Netflix, Amazon and Disney+. CR is great for someone watching a lot of anime. If you want to watch the one or two big shows each season you might not find them there though. I rarely find anything I can't watch in Japanese with english subtitles.

(Old stuff is often missing too. if you're after that those I understand what you mean.)

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Post by Bayart »

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

I stopped pirating for a decade and started again when platforms became so fragmented and inconvenient that torrenting is the more convenient option again. On the other hand I buy a lot of records, both old and new, so I'm objectively spending more on music than I've ever been. MUBI is the only content subscription I still happily keep.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by bayindirh »

Tarq0n wrote: post #276
bayindirh wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lossless still beats MP3@320CBR audibly, but you need a pipeline which can render that difference. I’ll not rewrite details here, one can search my comment history if more details are required.

Some of the best recordings I've heard (NPR) are only on YouTube. This leads me to believe recording quality is orders of magnitude more important than encoding, as long as a decent bitrate and encoding scheme were used.

The quality ceiling for any recording you have is the quality ceiling of the weakest link in your audio pipeline.

This means, to be able to get a good sound from any system, you have to feed it a good signal, and that path starts with recording.

Current audio codecs are great from a psychoacoustic point of view. A good encoder can create an enjoyable file at modest bitrates (192kbps for MP3, and 128kbps for AAC IIRC), and retain most of the details.

The audible residue when you subtract a MP3 from a FLAC is not details per se, but instrument separation and perceived size of the sound stage. People generally call this snake oil, but I have the same amplifier for the last 30 years, and I can say how different qualities of audio render through the same pipeline. A good recording stored losslessly can bring the concert to your home, up to a point. MP3 re-encodings of the same record will sound flatter and smaller.

Lastly, it's not possible to completely contain the sound of a symphony orchestra in a stereo recording. That's not happening. So there's always a limit.

If you have the time, there's a nice ABX test: http://abx.digitalfeed.net/

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