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Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by blibble »

hedora wrote: post #322
blibble wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I spend quite a lot on bandcamp and amazon's mp3 store (couple of hundred bucks a year maybe?) I am very very happy to pay for DRM free music however this getting increasingly difficult as companies don't even seem to want to provide it for sale at all under no circumstances am I going to pay a monthly subscription for a digital product that can be delivered as a one off download

I know people that still buy CDs. I've been meaning to dump my Tidal artist list to a spreadsheet or something, and figure out how to pay a few dozen artists directly this year. One possibility is to buy their albums and copy them to my NAS. Paying for DRM-free downloads seems easier / better, but I'd want to make sure the artists' cut is higher than with streaming. For what it's worth, iTunes is apparently DRM-free…

I would buy CDs and rip them up until about 5 years ago at which point the stuff I liked vanished

> For what it's worth, iTunes is apparently DRM-free these days.

I'll try this!

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by thenoblesunfish »

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Mostly agree, but I think that people have a reasonable desire to "own" the pieces of culture that are important to them. Especially with movies and TV, your access to the content, even if you "bought" it, is temporary. Where there is a fair way to purchase your own copy (e.g. Bandcamp for music, at the moment), that's great.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by swozey »

wombat-man wrote: post #329
someotherperson wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Piracy is largely a convenience issue, not just a financial issue. When Netflix's streaming platform rolled around people were largely happy to stop pirating, when Netflix's catalog fragmented across two dozen different services that forbid account sharing then piracy became a thing again for many people who stopped pirating. I had a Paramount+ subscription (alongside Disney, Netflix, Amazon, Apple TV) and wanted to…

Yeah I just don't understand how paramount+ is so bad. I've unsubscribed but I got it to watch a tv show on a plane, and so downloaded it onto my phone. The app would NOT play the video on the plane. At first I thought for some reason it needed to connect to the internet. Then after landing it wouldn't play even with the internet. Then there's the chromecast app. I want to watch an episode of survivor, a show with 45…

I had the same thing happen on a flight last year so when I got home I tested every streaming app I could think of and a bunch of them removed their download feature from the last time I used it or they put it behind a connection requirement like you said.

I forget if there's a second one, I know Netflix says you can download on its ad but I don't have netflix to test. The one I know for sure that you can download and watch offline is Prime.

You MIGHT be able to download and watch offline with HBOgo. I know at one point I could. But that might also be one of the ones that took that feature away.

I also don't know about any of the disney/paramount/apple ones. I think I tested Prime, HBOgo, Crunchyroll (iirc this can do it but theyre always missing episodes its annoying), Youtube (requires connection) and hulu.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by alerighi »

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

It's not the 10$ a month for Spotify: 10$ to Spotify, 10 to Netflix, another 10 to Disney+, to Now TV/SKY (in my country), to DAZN, to Prime Video, etc. If you sum all the services you have to pay you spend easily more than 100$ a month in streaming services, that is 1200$ a year that is for most person in my country a month of work! And the others would rather spend if for other things, such as a vacation.

Finally pirating is most of the time more convenient, for example using these proprietary services on Linux or Raspberry Pi etc is not possibile, also they require internet and you can't just for example save the files on an USB stick or CD to play on the car stereo.

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Post by fullstop »

screye wrote: post #231
someotherperson wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Piracy is largely a convenience issue, not just a financial issue. When Netflix's streaming platform rolled around people were largely happy to stop pirating, when Netflix's catalog fragmented across two dozen different services that forbid account sharing then piracy became a thing again for many people who stopped pirating. I had a Paramount+ subscription (alongside Disney, Netflix, Amazon, Apple TV) and wanted to…

I mostly agree, but this tool is for spotify. Spotify is about as convieinient as a streaming music platform gets. That being said, most people (including me) happily pay for spotify, so your point still stands. I refuse to pay for a streaming platform that's not Netflix or prime. The former benefits from being grand fathered in and the latter is a free bonus on something I would buy anyway. It also sucks that cancel…

I pay for Prime, and we're soon to have ads unless you pay more to remove them. I wouldn't feel bad taking to the high seas while keeping the prime subscription.

I'm at the point with other services where I will subscribe for a month or two in a given year, watch full seasons of what I want, and then cancel. Things like Max / Discovery / Whatever they call themselves this year are making this more difficult by removing content. In some cases, it's difficult to find a legit place to watch it, with Raised by Wolves and Westworld being prime examples.

Maybe I'll just read more books instead.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by jjulius »

swozey wrote: post #318
jjulius wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>... especially in HCOL+ areas. Right? NYC and the Bay Area would like a word...

I don't know a single engineer in the last decade that I've worked with or known that wants to live in SFBay. Hell, Google literally opened an office on 2nd and congress in Austin because people wanted to live in Austin and not SFbay. I was there on its opening day! $70k is completely fine in Houston, Dallas, Austin. I made around that in each one. Almost everyone I know here in Denver makes 70k-100k max and I'm in t…

>Everything isn't NYC or SFBay.

Never said it was, I just pointed to two areas where $70k doesn't go very far. Simple as that.

Edit: Your comment is very "I"-centric. Nobody cares about how many cars you have owned, because your life experience cannot be copy/pasted to everyone else. It's like you've missed the point.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by thenoblesunfish »

arthur_sav wrote: post #321
swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Good luck finding your favorite movie on Netflix. And Spotify keeps taking songs off their catalogue which ruins my favorite playlists and saved songs. To be fair, streaming services are usually not at fault here. They have to negotiate with the content owners. But at the end of the day, I don't care. Piracy still has place and it's not a money issue.

Exactly. This content is actually important to people, despite the common idea that culture, even purely entertainment culture, not to mention more artistic things, is a commodity.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by jjulius »

jonplackett wrote: post #330
jjulius wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Spotify is about as convieinient as a streaming music platform gets. Convenient for users, but you'd be hard-pressed to find artists who are content with the payments they get from Spotify. And that's across the spectrum, from world-famous pop artists to indie artists struggling to get heard. I'm huge into music so I'm "OK" with Spotify for the sake of convenience and all that, but if people are really digging a pie…

The solution isn’t to then pay them nothing

Did you miss the part where I implored people to buy music they love?

Perhaps the "if possible" part at the end confused you. That was referring to times when artists only release music on streaming platforms and you can't buy it anywhere.

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Post by mkobit »

linsomniac wrote: post #326

Somewhat related: A month ago I migrated from Spotify to YTMusic (Youtube), and published the scripts I used to do it. People have kind of come out of the woodwork: reporting issues, starring the repo, asking questions, last night I found someone has written a GUI for it. https://github.com/linsomniac/spotify_to_ytmusic The biggest reason I ditched Spotify is that their shuffle play of playlists is laughably bad. I l…

They wrote an interesting blog some time back about how "random shuffle" isn't necessarily what people want, and how their algorithm works (https://engineering.atspotify.com/2014/02/how-to-shuffle-son... ). That was a decade ago, so maybe their approach has changed or that it does not perform well under certain conditions (like the one you mention). It works well for me on most playlists on the order of 10s.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by thenoblesunfish »

Reubend wrote: post #3

While it's nice to have an open source client, please think twice about bypassing the premium subscription/ads to listen for free. Musician deserve to be paid for their work, and it's not fair to them to bypass all of the mechanisms to do that. Spotify doesn't pay musicians well, but there are still indie artists making a living from it nonetheless. I hear a lot of people these days complaining about ads, and that's…

You can and should buy music you like on Bandcamp (or even directly from artists when they offer it), after you've thrown then a fraction of a cent via streaming.
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