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Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by jokethrowaway » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 4:01 PM UTC

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Why pay when I can access content for free?

YouTube pays some cents to music labels, I can listen to music for free on YouTube and I can block ads.

The only purchases I make are to reward creators, often only after I've enjoyed the goods.

Copyright is highly immoral as I never got into any contract with anyone and yet I'm supposedly a criminal because I download pirated content. Whoever is sharing copyrighted content is breaching a contract and should be prosecutable.

I sell software and it's nice to have passive income. I found a few communities who heavily pirated my code and I couldn't do jackshit because I don't make lawyer money and dmca does nothing but waste time.

I think piracy is a natural tax imposed on the market: if you can't point to your customer who shared your property and sue him you are probably making some nice passive money. There's always going to be someone smarter than the average who will bypass your security.

I don't mind pirates. The problem we have is with major publishers being rich enough they can bribe the government to do crap like dmca and infringe on our rights.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by demondemidi » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 4:01 PM UTC

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

And then complain that there isn't enough content they are two absolutely insatiable generations when it comes to content. Free free free more more more ... of course, that also describes the billionaire class and material goods. Ironic they both meet at greed.

The Spotify macOS app constantly truncates classical titles, which I find infuriating. I subscribed to Apple Classical, which was phenomenal in its organization and catalogue, but I couldn't download and I fly a lot which is a dealbreaker.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by __MatrixMan__ » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 4:02 PM UTC

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

It's not about saving a few bucks, it's about taking responsibility for the consequences of your spending. If $1 out of $10 goes to supporting the artist and the other $9 goes towards stripping users of the ability to control their own devices, or towards other zero/negative sum games being played by the platform in the spirit of moat building, then paying for content through normal channels is doing more harm than good.

If there was a way to configure my players to fingerprint the content and send money to the artist as I play it (or probably at the end of the month, so the total spend for that month is configurable) I'd use it. Payment should be irrespective of where you got the bits. I'm trying to build such a thing.

But until a better way exists, I'm not going to feel bad about my occasional piracy in the meantime.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by Moru » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 4:02 PM UTC

jjulius wrote: post #258

screye wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mostly agree, but this tool is for spotify. Spotify is about as convieinient as a streaming music platform gets. That being said, most people (including me) happily pay for spotify, so your point still stands. I refuse to pay for a streaming platform that's not Netflix or prime. The former benefits from being grand fathered in and the latter is a free bonus on something I would buy anyway. It also sucks that cancel…

>Spotify is about as convieinient as a streaming music platform gets. Convenient for users, but you'd be hard-pressed to find artists who are content with the payments they get from Spotify. And that's across the spectrum, from world-famous pop artists to indie artists struggling to get heard. I'm huge into music so I'm "OK" with Spotify for the sake of convenience and all that, but if people are really digging a pie…

The reason artists are not happy with Spotify is because their record label takes 80% of the small profit they would get from streaming. I saw an interview with a swedish artist that was quite happy with the streaming money thanks to not having signed under any label. All the money goes directly to him.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by prg318 » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 4:02 PM UTC

rubymamis wrote: post #73

monsieurbanana wrote: post #4

For something that puts "not using electron" so prominently I didn't expect it using flutter. I admit I don't really have much experience with it, I thought it was like react-native (but better?), still far from truly native apps. Im here to being told I'm wrong. I would love to, specially since we can transpile clojure to dart

Yep. This app uses 230mb of RAM on my machine compared to Spotify that uses 208mb. But it's definitely more performant than my hideously slow Electron Spotify client. I'm really done with Electron. I hope this shaming of Electron apps continue because I can't stand this degradation of software. The only Electron app of recent that had good performance is Notion Calendar (used to be Cron). Although, Notion itself is p…

To respond to your edit, yes - it seems like the app is down - nothing seems to load at all on the Browse tab or anywhere else...

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by asylteltine » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 4:03 PM UTC

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Pirating at least on legitimate private trackers is about quality and availability. For example, you CANNOT stream certain episodes of South Park, always sunny, etc because of wrongthink. Some things are also unattainable like gravity Lux edition. But yes I agree otherwise, just buy stuff. I stopped pirating games when I got a real job.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by KronisLV » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 4:03 PM UTC

someotherperson wrote: post #196

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Piracy is largely a convenience issue, not just a financial issue. When Netflix's streaming platform rolled around people were largely happy to stop pirating, when Netflix's catalog fragmented across two dozen different services that forbid account sharing then piracy became a thing again for many people who stopped pirating. I had a Paramount+ subscription (alongside Disney, Netflix, Amazon, Apple TV) and wanted to…

> Piracy is largely a convenience issue, not just a financial issue.

I'd say it can definitely be both. For example, when I was a broke teenager, I pirated all the video games, because the alternative was simply missing out on them and the option to acquire them through dubious means was there.

When I actually got disposable income I realized that Steam is so well made, that I buy all my games there nowadays. It's gotten to the point where I'd rather buy a game than pirate it, especially when the game does have some sort of an online component. The only exception is cases when I feel like I might need a refund (e.g. seeing how a VR game runs before buying it, because refunds still feel like a hassle).

I still sometimes resort to something like G2A (Steam key reseller site, not a very good reputation) or just buying games on other stores like GOG or Epic when they're much cheaper there, but aside from that it's easier to just not play some expensive AAA game on launch altogether, since I don't care that much about being first to experience it anymore.

As for music, I can actually just listen to whatever I want on YouTube which is good enough for me, but I don't see why the same principles couldn't apply to something like Spotify.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by swozey » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 4:03 PM UTC

jjulius wrote: post #263

redserk wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Add in college debt payments, maybe a car payment, maybe you just graduated and need to furnish at least part of an apartment (even with roommates), maybe having to help pay down parents medical bills or whatever because you're the first to break out of very low income employment... $70k isn't a magical feel-good-be-happy number for everyone, especially in HCOL+ areas. I don't think this was your intent, but your com…

>... especially in HCOL+ areas. Right? NYC and the Bay Area would like a word...

I don't know a single engineer in the last decade that I've worked with or known that wants to live in SFBay. Hell, Google literally opened an office on 2nd and congress in Austin because people wanted to live in Austin and not SFbay. I was there on its opening day!

$70k is completely fine in Houston, Dallas, Austin. I made around that in each one. Almost everyone I know here in Denver makes 70k-100k max and I'm in the most trendy neighborhood downtown and these are (actual, like structural) engineers, lawyers, etc. My hair stylist makes 50k and has a nice 1br. Personally my rent is $4k which is absolutely common for a 2bdr in sfbay but mine is very nice, probably much newer than would be in SF. I made 90k living in Chicago. 40-60k living in Tampa. I always had a new car new a twin turbo z4, mazda 3, crv, sometimes I had 2 cars (sports/daily), always had my own place, etc. Zero debt. Went out ALL the time.

Everything isn't NYC or SFBay. I didn't start my career making 40k and go "OK great, now I'm off to San Francisco/NYC!!" I moved more west as my income grew.

The privilege.. I promise you that there are service industry people making 30-45k in SF/NYC who are absolutely content or happy with their lives whether it's living in a 10x10 shoebox or an attic in a loft with a roomate. I'm not doing that, but I have a lot of industry friends from a past life that do. The average hourly for a nyc bartender is something like $16-18. I used to do it on the side.

We're privileged beyond belief.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by jokethrowaway » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 4:04 PM UTC

madmask wrote: post #265

chx wrote: post #249

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Not everything needs to be an activist fight, should I not pay taxes because a party I don’t like is in power? I think we should all be a bit more open to voices we don’t like. Live and let live, etc.

You pay taxes because otherwise goons with guns will come and lock you in jail with criminal and child rapists.

He can very well decide to not support a private company, that's the whole idea behind having a free market and not living in a socialist hell hole.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by znpy » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 4:04 PM UTC

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

To be honest if i was making $300k/year i’d be pirating even more… i could spend a lot more on hard drives!