Live data from Hacker News

Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

github.com

211–220 of 661 posts

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

#211
post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

There are other factors here besides price to choose this client. Privacy and no usage/analytics spyware are some big ones, as well as native apps on desktop.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

#212
post #3

While it's nice to have an open source client, please think twice about bypassing the premium subscription/ads to listen for free. Musician deserve to be paid for their work, and it's not fair to them to bypass all of the mechanisms to do that. Spotify doesn't pay musicians well, but there are still indie artists making a living from it nonetheless. I hear a lot of people these days complaining about ads, and that's…

> But when it comes time to pay for content, those people rarely are willing to pony up. You can see this happening with journalism, music, apps, etc. I think this sentiment is wrong. Personally, I pay for content and services that I find value adding (Kagi, Fastmail, etc.) That said: I am never going to pay for YouTube. The issue is that the entire platform and all of its content is catered to ad-revenue . I could b…

I actually don't mind ads. They're fine. The classified section of newspapers used to fund journalism in the US. Someone's got to pay Clark Kent, after all.

What I do mind is algorithmic targeting. On the ad serving front, it funds an entire industry that does nothing but violate people's basic human right to privacy. On the personalized recommendation front, it provides a strong incentive for publishers to produce click-bait.

There's one commercially viable corner of the internet that hasn't been ruined by this: Podcasts.

Spotify is trying to ruin that too. Screw them.

Also, if you're looking for a decent music service, consider something privacy preserving like Apple Music, or (better) something that uses metadata-based targeting, like Tidal.

I find most of my music by following hyperlinks in album / band reviews that were written by actual humans. There's a button for that in Tidal. I've heard Amazon Music has such a button as well. I've also found listening to high-quality (local) radio stations with good DJ's is a goldmine, as are music podcasts.

I've also found that non-tailored recommendations (people who like album X like album Y, grouping of opening acts with bands, and, when done right, old-fashioned display ads) also provide a decent signal, since they're typically curated or use the things I just mentioned as signal (instead of using your cookware preferences, or sexual orientation, or whatever).

In addition to being the ethical alternative, it turns out that having bands and critics list things that influenced an album or were influenced by an album is a much better way to explore the space of modern music than via payola with a dollop of high-dimensional clustering.

So, in addition to the ad blocker, I'm not paying for anything that tries to spoon-feed me payola or clickbait.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

#213
post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvhv7bgmz64

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

#214
post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

70-300k is a crazy wide range to lump together. Quality of life and flexibility to pay for things is extremely different across it. That said, the reason is simple, there’s no good product out there so people pirate. I haven’t pirated music in ages because Spotify solved that industry with a single reasonably priced offering. On the other hand the dozens of streaming services have gotten out of hand by now. Same with…

> especially given how mediocre 95% of production has been in recent years

Okay, then don’t watch it. If you’re watching it, though, you should pay for it. Your logic is the equivalent of going out to restaurants to eat, and then not paying because “restaurants aren’t good these days.”

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

#215
post #3

While it's nice to have an open source client, please think twice about bypassing the premium subscription/ads to listen for free. Musician deserve to be paid for their work, and it's not fair to them to bypass all of the mechanisms to do that. Spotify doesn't pay musicians well, but there are still indie artists making a living from it nonetheless. I hear a lot of people these days complaining about ads, and that's…

Personally I recommend you check if your favoured artist is on Bandcamp and buy their music DRM free. The artist will get 85% or 90%, Bandcamp will take 15% or 10% (based on sales volume).

As a hypothetical, if you found them selling an album for $5 and you bought it to download on Bandcamp, they'd earn $4.50, which is about the same as streaming their songs about 400 times on Tidal, 1,000 times on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music or Deezer, or 4,000 times on YouTube, Pandora or SoundCloud

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

#216
post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

70-300k is a crazy wide range to lump together. Quality of life and flexibility to pay for things is extremely different across it. That said, the reason is simple, there’s no good product out there so people pirate. I haven’t pirated music in ages because Spotify solved that industry with a single reasonably priced offering. On the other hand the dozens of streaming services have gotten out of hand by now. Same with…

Most of us who make 100k-300k made 70k at one point. I made 70k (5-8 years?) a lot longer than I've made 235k.

I was absolutely not broke at 70k. In fact I thought that was the most money I'd ever make and that I was killing it for 25 or whatever I was.. lmao

I made quite a bit more money than everyone my age I knew, most were still in college or in the 35-50k brackets.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

#217
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant the generic "you" of an user of this app. I'm sure you specifically don't actually use this app, and just listen to the music you bought. But the main selling point of this app, i.e. the actual submission, is to get the music for free and no ads. The target market of it is not going to be paying a cent, because the entire reason the app exists and was submitted is to avoid paying much smaller amounts for musi…

There's also the artist's point of view in this thread, multiple people saying they made many times more money from Bandcamp than steaming services.

> multiple people saying they made many times more money from Bandcamp than steaming services.

While it might be true that they get more money on bandcamp. They get exposure through streaming websites like youtube, spotify that brings ppl to bandcamp.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

#218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stealing content is not the type of rule breaking that phreaking was about.

phreaking was literally theft lol

"Theft of services", yes -- but the marginal cost/loss to the provider was effectively zero.

In this way, phreaking was exactly like media piracy.

But all of the above are entirely unrelated to the meaning of "Hacker" in HN.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

#219
post #16
post #3

While it's nice to have an open source client, please think twice about bypassing the premium subscription/ads to listen for free. Musician deserve to be paid for their work, and it's not fair to them to bypass all of the mechanisms to do that. Spotify doesn't pay musicians well, but there are still indie artists making a living from it nonetheless. I hear a lot of people these days complaining about ads, and that's…

People here all day defending p2p piracy but when you are taking the bandwidth from a multibillion, multinational corporation then you're the devil himself :'( :'( :'( :'(

Well people tend to forget this is Hacker News. Finding creative workarounds is part of the fun.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

#220
post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

> I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why shouldn't they? How about the Spotify client being crap? Can't believe this is the top comment on HN.

What does Spotify being crap have to do with a software engineer or musician being paid for their work?

You think they shouldn't be paid because you don't like the company they work for?

Post reply on HN