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Re: Why strive? Stephen Fry reads Nick Cave's letter on the threat of AI [video]

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Post by jazzyjackson » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:03 PM UTC

huppeldepup wrote: post #4

As Cave’s letter articulates how foregoing the struggle of creation risks destroying the ‘collective, essential and unconscious human spirit’, his characteristically masterful writing combined with Fry’s powerful reading serve as a reminder of the value and vitality of human creativity. Art is what comforts the disturbed and disturbs the comfortable. It appears that Mr. Cave is very comfortable and wishes to keep pro…

you can't just call whatever you're doing progress, the progress ought to be demonstrating improved outcomes by some metric

is multiplying the speed we can spam each other with marketing copy and deepfakes a good measure of progress?

Re: Why strive? Stephen Fry reads Nick Cave's letter on the threat of AI [video]

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Post by leashless » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:03 PM UTC

Incredibly talented people complain when technology lets talentless people make some of the beautiful things that they imagine but never had the talent to make real.

It's like rich people saying money does not matter. "Easy for you to say." I can't draw. But now I can take the talent I have and extend it to make images.

Is it art? I don't know. I don't care. I was not able, now I am able, and the people who are able complain.

Screw 'em. This is what tools are for. The strong should not tell the weak they cannot use props.

Re: Why strive? Stephen Fry reads Nick Cave's letter on the threat of AI [video]

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Post by leashless » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:04 PM UTC

leashless wrote: post #12

Incredibly talented people complain when technology lets talentless people make some of the beautiful things that they imagine but never had the talent to make real. It's like rich people saying money does not matter. "Easy for you to say." I can't draw. But now I can take the talent I have and extend it to make images. Is it art? I don't know. I don't care. I was not able, now I am able, and the people who are able…

"Supermodels complain about plastic surgery letting ugly people look better" type headlines abound in AI

Re: Why strive? Stephen Fry reads Nick Cave's letter on the threat of AI [video]

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:05 PM UTC

morelisp wrote: post #10

huppeldepup wrote: post #4

As Cave’s letter articulates how foregoing the struggle of creation risks destroying the ‘collective, essential and unconscious human spirit’, his characteristically masterful writing combined with Fry’s powerful reading serve as a reminder of the value and vitality of human creativity. Art is what comforts the disturbed and disturbs the comfortable. It appears that Mr. Cave is very comfortable and wishes to keep pro…

This line is absolutely madness when you look at who is behind the current AI push.

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Re: Why strive? Stephen Fry reads Nick Cave's letter on the threat of AI [video]

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Post by jvanderbot » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:05 PM UTC

williamcotton wrote: post #5

AI has no effect on singer-songwriters. People that are into someone playing an instrument and singing their own poetry in a live setting will keep the form alive. People that listen to expensively produced hot-100-esque music are already not that interested in watching live music. What does Nick Cave need to worry about? When he tours people go to listen to his music and poetry, not someone else’s! Do you think live…

The effect is that, at least for 90% of my music listening, I'm looking for new music, with a few genres that I really like. Only occasionally do I queue up a classic that I know well. And I am completely uninterested in the people making it.

My wife is the opposite. The person is hugely important.

So there will be, in our household, a 50% (45, I guess) decrease in the need for human artists. But I am happy to pay someone to generate that music for me, like a Spotify.ai or something! What I don't want is a destruction of any creation and shared experience.

It's been the same for mid journey. I will spend an hour generating imagery for posters or desktop or game art or ttrpg etc etc. I don't even bother image searching most of the time. But I still enjoy sharing with the game crew or friends.

Re: Why strive? Stephen Fry reads Nick Cave's letter on the threat of AI [video]

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:07 PM UTC

baal80spam wrote: post #3

JKCalhoun wrote: post #2

Very good letter. I'm struck by Nick Cave's comment about the making of beautiful things being the meaning of life. It always struck me as bittersweet that we should be birthed on this world with a mind capable of imagining oblivion, futility, our own certain death, but we were also given the tools (our creativity) to express both our fears and pain as well as our joys and our love for life. Were we to evolve to some…

To me, meaning requires effort.

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Re: Why strive? Stephen Fry reads Nick Cave's letter on the threat of AI [video]

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Post by jazzyjackson » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:08 PM UTC

leashless wrote: post #12

Incredibly talented people complain when technology lets talentless people make some of the beautiful things that they imagine but never had the talent to make real. It's like rich people saying money does not matter. "Easy for you to say." I can't draw. But now I can take the talent I have and extend it to make images. Is it art? I don't know. I don't care. I was not able, now I am able, and the people who are able…

the tech would not exist if not for the talented people you are screwing

Re: Why strive? Stephen Fry reads Nick Cave's letter on the threat of AI [video]

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Post by jazzyjackson » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:12 PM UTC

Gare wrote: post #6

williamcotton wrote: post #5

AI has no effect on singer-songwriters. People that are into someone playing an instrument and singing their own poetry in a live setting will keep the form alive. People that listen to expensively produced hot-100-esque music are already not that interested in watching live music. What does Nick Cave need to worry about? When he tours people go to listen to his music and poetry, not someone else’s! Do you think live…

> Do you think live music is going to suffer that much more since the ultimate dagger, the phonograph? Well, you can also have AI band playing AI music live. Cue vocaloids.

Hatsune Miku is playing Coachella this year, no joke

Re: Why strive? Stephen Fry reads Nick Cave's letter on the threat of AI [video]

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Post by gonzo41 » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:13 PM UTC

JKCalhoun wrote: post #2

Very good letter. I'm struck by Nick Cave's comment about the making of beautiful things being the meaning of life. It always struck me as bittersweet that we should be birthed on this world with a mind capable of imagining oblivion, futility, our own certain death, but we were also given the tools (our creativity) to express both our fears and pain as well as our joys and our love for life. Were we to evolve to some…

Today's AI is not making art. It's finding a well fitted solution to a set of contraints.

Maybe in the future AI will create art. But we'll be distracted with discussion about rights for AI around that time.

Re: Why strive? Stephen Fry reads Nick Cave's letter on the threat of AI [video]

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Post by mvandermeulen » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 2:14 PM UTC

jazzyjackson wrote: post #17

leashless wrote: post #12

Incredibly talented people complain when technology lets talentless people make some of the beautiful things that they imagine but never had the talent to make real. It's like rich people saying money does not matter. "Easy for you to say." I can't draw. But now I can take the talent I have and extend it to make images. Is it art? I don't know. I don't care. I was not able, now I am able, and the people who are able…

the tech would not exist if not for the talented people you are screwing

How are they being screwed?