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Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by pinkgolem » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 11:16 AM UTC

drewdevault wrote: post #26

Reubend wrote: post #3

While it's nice to have an open source client, please think twice about bypassing the premium subscription/ads to listen for free. Musician deserve to be paid for their work, and it's not fair to them to bypass all of the mechanisms to do that. Spotify doesn't pay musicians well, but there are still indie artists making a living from it nonetheless. I hear a lot of people these days complaining about ads, and that's…

Direct your passion for getting musicians paid to Spotify and the distribution system, not to this. If everyone who uses this software were to use Spotify direct, ads and all, in the long run it would make pennies for the artists at best. You're better off listening to music however you please and buying albums on Bandcamp to support the artists; a lifetime of spotify listening will make less money for an artist you…

>Even if you only listen to one artist, 8 hours per day, 365 days a year, they will earn a whopping... 100 bucks from Spotify.

i mean, that sounds fair?

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by _kwef » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 11:17 AM UTC

bananapub wrote: post #15

accrual wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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even by HN standards, this is an extremely low quality reply, amazing

What did they say?

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by porridgeraisin » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 11:18 AM UTC

Just when rhythm got banned in discord few years ago, I made a discord bot that did something similar. I supported various sources of playlists/urls, and I'll then go get the metadata from the platform, get the song name and few other details, search it on youtube and stream from there. It was intended to be self-hosted for your own server. Was fun to use until the replacement bots started supporting youtube again and it got made redundant, a whole bunch of them paused youtube support around the time rhythm got the C&D notice.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by 9dev » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 11:20 AM UTC

drewdevault wrote: post #26

Reubend wrote: post #3

While it's nice to have an open source client, please think twice about bypassing the premium subscription/ads to listen for free. Musician deserve to be paid for their work, and it's not fair to them to bypass all of the mechanisms to do that. Spotify doesn't pay musicians well, but there are still indie artists making a living from it nonetheless. I hear a lot of people these days complaining about ads, and that's…

Direct your passion for getting musicians paid to Spotify and the distribution system, not to this. If everyone who uses this software were to use Spotify direct, ads and all, in the long run it would make pennies for the artists at best. You're better off listening to music however you please and buying albums on Bandcamp to support the artists; a lifetime of spotify listening will make less money for an artist you…

That doesn’t paint the full picture, though. Artists get something from Spotify in return - exposure to listeners (even those that wouldn’t traditionally listen to an artist or never discover them otherwise), global and immediate distribution, marketing, and simple payment handling.

Today, artists don’t need most of the services traditional record labels provide, which treated them way worse over the last half century. And that’s a good thing.

Not to say I think it’s fair how little streaming services pay to musicians, but this is more nuanced than just Spotify exploiting artists.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by pxoe » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 11:20 AM UTC

Reubend wrote: post #3

While it's nice to have an open source client, please think twice about bypassing the premium subscription/ads to listen for free. Musician deserve to be paid for their work, and it's not fair to them to bypass all of the mechanisms to do that. Spotify doesn't pay musicians well, but there are still indie artists making a living from it nonetheless. I hear a lot of people these days complaining about ads, and that's…

signing up for a free service (or even just using it without an account with youtube music), and playing music for free, is the easiest way to support a creator, at no cost to you.

the bar is so low - support creators with ad money for free, and some people still can't clear it, or refuse to clear it. the complaining is not fair, it's annoying. if you can't pay, or wouldn't pay otherwise, and still opposed to things like ads, that enable you to get something for free - you didn't deserve to get it in the first place. get over it and pay up or shut up. or rather, put your principles to work and refuse to engage with ad-supported content at all. instead of being like "well...i still want it. so let me get it completely for free. even though i could get it for free, but that's not enough for me." the complaints at their core are just 'i got it for free and i'm still not satisfied'. the annoying kind of entitlement that wants something so badly, it doesn't even dare to just refuse itself the thing it wants.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by alwayslikethis » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 11:21 AM UTC

For something that uses this approach (metadata from spotify, music from yt) but with downloads, take a look at spotdl[1]. Very useful for mpd. Disclaimer: not my project, but I've had some success with it.

1. https://github.com/spotDL/spotify-downloader

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by gallexme » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 11:22 AM UTC

erinnh wrote: post #35

hutzlibu wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sources please?

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2024/01/11/spotify-stream-m...

1000 annual listens? That's likely less than 1$/mo revenue the artists get no? Even small time musicians I know have about 1000 listens a month

Seems to me just like yt monetization partner program which required like 50€ revenue for payout and 1000 subs+approval for even enabling monetization (some time ago unsure if it's still limited for new accounts )

Unless I'm missing something it mainly just trims out mass produced content

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by dotancohen » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 11:22 AM UTC

pinkgolem wrote: post #41

drewdevault wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Direct your passion for getting musicians paid to Spotify and the distribution system, not to this. If everyone who uses this software were to use Spotify direct, ads and all, in the long run it would make pennies for the artists at best. You're better off listening to music however you please and buying albums on Bandcamp to support the artists; a lifetime of spotify listening will make less money for an artist you…

>Even if you only listen to one artist, 8 hours per day, 365 days a year, they will earn a whopping... 100 bucks from Spotify. i mean, that sounds fair?

Especially considering that Spotify claims over 500 million users. The traditional bottleneck in the music industry and the entertainment industry has been distribution.

Of course, 500 million users does not mean that 500 million potential fans will be exposed to your work.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by npstr » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 11:24 AM UTC

porridgeraisin wrote: post #43

Just when rhythm got banned in discord few years ago, I made a discord bot that did something similar. I supported various sources of playlists/urls, and I'll then go get the metadata from the platform, get the song name and few other details, search it on youtube and stream from there. It was intended to be self-hosted for your own server. Was fun to use until the replacement bots started supporting youtube again an…

I don't know if I was the first to come up with the idea or implementation, but my contribution certainly ended up in the largest open source music streaming bot at the time: https://github.com/freyacodes/archived-bot/pull/90

Was quite a similar idea: load Playlist from Spotify but play the actual music from YouTube. Still proud of that one, good times when Discord was wild territory.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by viraptor » Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 11:24 AM UTC

drewdevault wrote: post #26

Reubend wrote: post #3

While it's nice to have an open source client, please think twice about bypassing the premium subscription/ads to listen for free. Musician deserve to be paid for their work, and it's not fair to them to bypass all of the mechanisms to do that. Spotify doesn't pay musicians well, but there are still indie artists making a living from it nonetheless. I hear a lot of people these days complaining about ads, and that's…

Direct your passion for getting musicians paid to Spotify and the distribution system, not to this. If everyone who uses this software were to use Spotify direct, ads and all, in the long run it would make pennies for the artists at best. You're better off listening to music however you please and buying albums on Bandcamp to support the artists; a lifetime of spotify listening will make less money for an artist you…

> If everyone who uses this software were to use Spotify direct, ads and all, in the long run it would make pennies for the artists at best.

I'm not sure that "they get paid so little that we may as well stop paying them anything" is an argument you really want to make here? Yes, Spotify pay is crap. Not paying anything is crap too. Two wrongs don't make a right.