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Ask HN: Buying Laptop Without Windows?

#1
I've been looking for a new laptop, but I want to buy a laptop without Windows to save money since I'll be running linux

So far I've found these:

- Lenovo thinkpads (since they're configurable)

- System76

- Framework (not available in my country)

I also saw there was a Dell XPS developer edition but unfortunately not available where I am.

What other options are there, if any?

* obviously no macs

Re: Ask HN: Buying Laptop Without Windows?

#2
There are some HP laptops that offered FreeDOS as an alternative to Windows. This might be limited to business-line laptops as opposed to consumer-oriented laptops, and it might not be available in your country, but it’s worth investigating.

If you don’t need an x86-64 chip, then another potential option is the PineBook (I also don’t know about availability outside the US):

https://www.pine64.org/pinebook/

https://www.pine64.org/pinebook-pro/

Re: Ask HN: Buying Laptop Without Windows?

#5
Windows and all the crap that comes with it is actually subsidising your laptop, and making it cheaper FOR YOU than a laptop configured without Windows.

So ... are you looking for a cheaper laptop for you, or do you just want to stick it to Microsoft even if you pay more for a machine without Windows?

Look out for Number One!

Buy yourself a Lenovo (Intel peripherals since they are well supported). Chuck away that useless set of Windows partitions, and install your preferred distro. (LinuxMint 21.3 MATE in my case)

Re: Ask HN: Buying Laptop Without Windows?

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post #2

There are some HP laptops that offered FreeDOS as an alternative to Windows. This might be limited to business-line laptops as opposed to consumer-oriented laptops, and it might not be available in your country, but it’s worth investigating. If you don’t need an x86-64 chip, then another potential option is the PineBook (I also don’t know about availability outside the US): https://www.pine64.org/pinebook/ https://ww…

> There are some HP laptops that offered FreeDOS as an alternative to Windows

That's interesting, will take a look.

Re: Ask HN: Buying Laptop Without Windows?

#7
System76 used to be rebranded Clevo/Sager laptops. I’m not sure if that’s still the case. You can buy them in various places, customize them, and have them put Linux (or nothing) in it. Or build your own. I paid to have mine built, but got out the screwdrivers to replace a hard drive, and it wasn’t too bad.

The build quality is worse than Mac, definitely, but you can get a really nice spec for cheap. And they’re serviceable, definitely on-par with the Lenovo and HP models that we’ve had in our house.

I bought a custom build from Xotic PC, using the “no operating system” option, and slapped Fedora on it. I’ve been Linux-only in my personal laptops since 2012, and windows-free much longer than that.

Hardware support is excellent, I’ve never had an issue. Everything just works. There’s a lot of FUD out there, and I’m skeptical of how accurate it is. My experience has been extremely low-touch, and extremely positive; it’s a tool, not a hobby, for me—I don’t tinker.

Re: Ask HN: Buying Laptop Without Windows?

#8

Windows and all the crap that comes with it is actually subsidising your laptop, and making it cheaper FOR YOU than a laptop configured without Windows. So ... are you looking for a cheaper laptop for you , or do you just want to stick it to Microsoft even if you pay more for a machine without Windows? Look out for Number One! Buy yourself a Lenovo (Intel peripherals since they are well supported). Chuck away that us…

Yeah, I was gonna say this as well. When you find that windows-free laptop be sure to compare price/specs with Windows laptops.

IME the hardware specs, and overall design/quality have a much bigger impact on price than whether it includes Windows or not.

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