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Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by jsheard »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #194
FergusArgyll wrote: post #116

I think their big advantage vs meta is no controllers, I also think that is an underrated advantage.

The Apple Store app offered to sell me a PS5 controller during checkout, so it clearly does support them, they're just not necessary.

It supports conventional Playstation/Xbox style game controllers, but it doesn't currently have any equivalent to the Quests motion controllers for spatial applications which need more motion fidelity or inputs than are practical with just hand and eye tracking. It'll be a struggle to port a lot of existing VR games over to it.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by Fnoord »

supafastcoder wrote: post #31
TotoHorner wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol when the iPhone came out, literally everyone was criticizing it for how expensive it was. Also, looking at the functionality it had when it first came out, it wouldn't have really been very useful for me (no app store, basically just an iPod + shitty browser + phone). Anyway, does anyone actually think that VR isn't going to revolutionize computing over the next 10 years?

> shitty browser Well, well, even the iOS Safari that shipped with the first iPhone was miles ahead of anything else out there.

Fennec (Mozilla Firefox for Mobile) was already a thing before iPhone was released.

The distortion here is that capacitive touch took on with iPhone release. Which lead to a surge of websites supporting such (albeit usually optimized for iPhone/iOS + Safari).

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Post by zamalek »

reustle wrote: post #192
dougmwne wrote: post #95

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Early reports are that the Vision feels quite heavy to wear. That’s almost certainly going to make it a bad choice for virtual screens for more than an hour or so.

I’ve done countless long trips on motorcycles and have never been bothered by the weight of the helmet. I’m curious if a little bit of exercise will counter any discomfort with this. Seems other headsets have had similar complaints, too.

VR enthusiast here. A heavy thing hanging off the front of your face is extremely different to a helmet on top of your head. Wait for reviews and pay particular attention to how Apple have approached that issue.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

zarzavat wrote: post #71
nerdjon wrote: post #30

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The iPad and the iPhone were heavily criticized when they came out. While both were pushing some good tech, they were also going against the general wisdom of what made a product in each category.

The things that the iPhone was criticised for - no 3G was the biggest one - were easily fixed in the next iteration. The problems with the vision pro seem more fundamental, primarily cost. Apple really needs to sell it with zero margin or as a loss leader to build marketshare because $3000 is absurd and will really damage its branding "weird face hugger for rich people"

>Apple really needs to sell it with zero margin or as a loss leader

I suspect they already are.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by nerdjon »

globular-toast wrote: post #171
nerdjon wrote: post #24

Must admit, as this got closer I contemplated getting it more and more. Especially as I find myself using my laptop a lot on the couch and bed. Just the ability to have a larger screen without worrying about my physical Mac screen is a fairly large selling point, plus any other features. I assume there has not been anything about the ability to have multiple virtual Mac screens has there? That would likely make this…

Why would you need multiple virtual screens? With no physical limitation you should be able to have one screen as big as you want it.

Same reason I don't just have an ultra widescreen monitor on my desk and I have 3 monitors instead.

Separate monitors allows for better organization of different app windows than a single monitor, especially with different spaces on different monitors. I can keep my main screen on whatever it is I am working on while switching to a different space on another monitor to check email or teams for example.

Or just being able to have multiple full screen apps which is what I often do.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

noelrock wrote: post #181

Too many people seem to be confusing prior product critical commentary being invalid with all product critical commentary being invalid. Apple Vision Pro won't do much as a product - it'll struggle for even minimal adaption and will be eventually all but withdrawn within 24 months. The patents etc may eventually lead to a compelling product. But I'd be very confident I could look back at this comment and be proven co…

That was my initial reaction as well. Having said that I thought the same about the Watch and I turned out to be wrong about that. I still don't want one but all that means is I'm an outlier.

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Post by nerdjon »

sp332 wrote: post #130
nerdjon wrote: post #24

Must admit, as this got closer I contemplated getting it more and more. Especially as I find myself using my laptop a lot on the couch and bed. Just the ability to have a larger screen without worrying about my physical Mac screen is a fairly large selling point, plus any other features. I assume there has not been anything about the ability to have multiple virtual Mac screens has there? That would likely make this…

It has a built-in browser app though, right? So that might mean you don't need so many Mac-hosted screens.

I was thinking about that, and that is true when one of the monitors is generally Safari.

The question will be can I easily copy something from Safari on the Vision Pro to my Mac for example? Or move the mouse from my Mac Display (which will likely just be the trackpad of my laptop on my lap) to that Safari and use it that way.

It would need to operate as an extension of my Mac for it to be useful in this scenario.

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Post by nazgulnarsil »

Sometimes I look at a product from a major company and wonder if I'm taking crazy pills. Why am I as some rando able to instantly notice stupid design? Don't they have teams of people examining obvious failures? Butterfly keyboard just for the apple example.

Put the damn battery on the back of the head to prevent neck problems you lunatics.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by dpkonofa »

frou_dh wrote: post #65
tiffanyh wrote: post #36

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> When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. I remember history a bit differently. I recall lots of people dismissing the iPad as " just a big iPod Touch".

To a first approximation, that's what it still is all these years later. The software might be called iPadOS now but it's not fooling anyone that it's much different to iOS.

Yeah, but just like I said back then, that's like saying that a bathtub and a swimming pool are the same because they're both masses of contained water. The difference is explicitly in the size.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by ghaff »

c-cube wrote: post #48
TotoHorner wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol when the iPhone came out, literally everyone was criticizing it for how expensive it was. Also, looking at the functionality it had when it first came out, it wouldn't have really been very useful for me (no app store, basically just an iPod + shitty browser + phone). Anyway, does anyone actually think that VR isn't going to revolutionize computing over the next 10 years?

Absolutely, I don't believe VR will revolutionize computing in the next 10 years. It already has had two chances of doing so. Like 3D screens it has a wow effect but isn't that much better given its very real downsides.

Video conferencing using existing equipment and connections is arguably just about the only more immersive virtual experience that has really taken off. And that was somewhat forced on people and plenty here are still "FU. I'm not turning my camera on" in a work context as it is.

We can conceive of other uses but turns out that you can either get most of the way there for far less money and effort and/or the market for "spare no expense" is tiny.

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