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Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by bombcar »

achow wrote: post #73
nerdjon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The iPad and the iPhone were heavily criticized when they came out. While both were pushing some good tech, they were also going against the general wisdom of what made a product in each category.

I had an iPod touch before iPhone came around. If memory serves right, after first few versions of iPod Touch was out everyone was wondering why Apple is not cramming in the phone functionality as well. iPhone maybe was criticized by the likes of Ballmer and Nokia/Blackberry execs from business strategy perspective, but I'm not sure that sentiment was universally shared by consumers. EDIT: OK my memory has failed tra…

The iPod came first, and the main value proposition for the iPhone at first was it combined your iPod and your phone into one device.

That was huge pocket savings. Apps didn’t come until significantly later.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by ghaff »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #125
latexr wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. What I remember is everyone making fun of it, including the name¹, for being “just a big iPod Touch”. Similarly, the iPhone wasn’t taken all that seriously² on launch. The App Store wasn’t even an idea yet, let alone a reality. That is to say this always happens: people dis…

It's not like the criticisms for the iPhone were wrong. The iPhone launched at what would in today's prices be about $2000. ($700 is $1000 today, plus you had to sign a contract that would otherwise have given you a "free" phone worth a similar amount). Plus it didn't have an app store. Both of those would have prevented the iPhone's success, but both were very quickly corrected. The 2007 iPhone was a limited niche p…

It's hard to appreciate today but, early on for most people, the iPhone wasn't a "OMG, I have to get one of these right now" product. I had bought a Treo in late 2006 I think because I had a foot injury that meant I had to travel super-light. While I did get a 3GS a few years later, I don't recall any pressing urgency and there tons of stories related to carrier coverage etc.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by bombcar »

Hamuko wrote: post #55
nerdjon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The iPad and the iPhone were heavily criticized when they came out. While both were pushing some good tech, they were also going against the general wisdom of what made a product in each category.

What, the iPhone too? The iPad was called a big iPhone (especially when they showcased on stage that you can run iPhone apps with 2x magnification), but I remember there being a lot of hype for the iPhone.

The hype for the iPhone was more the standard Apple hype cycle - I don’t thing many people really expected it to eat the world entire.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by dougmwne »

mywacaday wrote: post #21
blixt wrote: post #8

I wonder how the reactions to this headset will play out. It's obviously going to be relatively clunky compared to expectations given that it's the first version. The marketing material doesn't really show the hassle of using a cable / separate battery. The battery only lasts 2 hours. There will not be many apps or they will be low quality. It'll probably be a bit front-heavy from all that glass. Anyway, I got one fo…

Have many people here used the quest as a virtual multi monitor setup, any advice/recommendations?

I attempted with the Quest 2 and it was far from doing the job well. Resolution is too low, optics too poor, headset too heavy and uncomfortable, battery too small. I’ve heard Quest 3 is better, but I am still very skeptical that the Vision Pro could be an all day device and replacement for a multi monitor setup. Possibly in a few years there will be a dedicated device for just virtual monitors designed for all day working. Xreal’s product is close but still very early adopter.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by bombcar »

dougmwne wrote: post #95
nerdjon wrote: post #24

Must admit, as this got closer I contemplated getting it more and more. Especially as I find myself using my laptop a lot on the couch and bed. Just the ability to have a larger screen without worrying about my physical Mac screen is a fairly large selling point, plus any other features. I assume there has not been anything about the ability to have multiple virtual Mac screens has there? That would likely make this…

Early reports are that the Vision feels quite heavy to wear. That’s almost certainly going to make it a bad choice for virtual screens for more than an hour or so.

Just tie enough helium balloons to it. Problem solved!

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by ed_elliott_asc »

pavlov wrote: post #9

The last time Apple introduced a new general purpose computing device was the iPad, 14 years ago. This one just doesn’t feel as big. When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. Those are exactly the weak points of the Vision Pro: it’s very expensive and very heavy, according to reports. The hands-on sessions that Apple…

Im excited by this - I’ve wanted a device where I can look at whatever I want to set my focus to for my entire life (last couple of decades anyway)

Now just how to figure out how to pay for it (and wait for the UK release)

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by latexr »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #125
latexr wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. What I remember is everyone making fun of it, including the name¹, for being “just a big iPod Touch”. Similarly, the iPhone wasn’t taken all that seriously² on launch. The App Store wasn’t even an idea yet, let alone a reality. That is to say this always happens: people dis…

It's not like the criticisms for the iPhone were wrong. The iPhone launched at what would in today's prices be about $2000. ($700 is $1000 today, plus you had to sign a contract that would otherwise have given you a "free" phone worth a similar amount). Plus it didn't have an app store. Both of those would have prevented the iPhone's success, but both were very quickly corrected. The 2007 iPhone was a limited niche p…

Right. Or in other words: it was too early to say how big the iPhone was going to be, and everyone who said it was going to be a flop had such tunnel vision they were incapable of perceiving the first version is not the last version.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by ozten »

PedroBatista wrote: post #42

It's an expensive toy for rich people. The good news for Apple: there are quite a few rich people in the World and Apple is a respected brand. I also thought the Apple Watch was a gimmick, but apparently they have been selling tons of those. This Vision Pro thing is different from the watch but also might not be that different, just "up scale".

This is the cheapest and most polished dev kit ever.

Compare it to the Playstation 1 dev kit. In 1994 dollars it cost $15,000 for a full devkit.

[1] https://www.retroreversing.com/official-playStation-devkit

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by nerdjon »

jwells89 wrote: post #128
nerdjon wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I can tell it is about the same weight as the Valve Index which I have been able to wear for a fairly extended period of time while doing physical activities. If I can wear that while being physical I can probably handle the Vision Pro for extended periods.

Based on my extensive experience with a Quest 2, overall weight isn’t as much of a factor as balance of that weight is. The Quest 2 wasn’t that comfortable to use out of the box, but after adding a Vive Deluxe Audio Strap connected with 3D printed adapters (which distributes weight better) and a counterweight that’s attached the back of the strap it’s dramatically improved. Still not perfect, but I have no issues wea…

That is a good point which is really hard to get a good feel for what this will be in that regards without actually trying it.

But I just don't think weight alone will be a concern given my experience with the Index.

My only problems with the index is the weight distribution while moving around (particularly while playing beat saber and crouching) but I likely wouldn't be doing that with the Vision Pro. And heat while being physically active but that was easily solvable by adding a fan to the front.

I already use this thing almost every day. But maybe that's because I am used too it so the jump to something like this is not really that crazy.

Re: Apple Vision Pro available for pre-order

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Post by dougmwne »

FergusArgyll wrote: post #116

I think their big advantage vs meta is no controllers, I also think that is an underrated advantage.

It will be interesting to see some side by side comparisons to the Quest Pro which has both the eye and and hand tracking as well.

I was disappointed there were no controllers, even as an accessory since it means that most of the VR gaming catalog will never be ported to this awesome Vision hardware.

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