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Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

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post #86

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You remind me of my professor telling me not to complain about low memory. He then will tell me about how much he was excited when he could have a machine with 1MB memory in 1980s when he was my age.

Memory was a real limitation, though. You can store an insane amount of stuff with 20GB already.

You can store an insane amount of plain text or low-res jpegs. My collection of papers and ebooks far exceeds 20 GB though.

Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

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Cloud storage is better than local storage for the average person. * The average person does not do backups. No, he will not do backups. No! He seriously won't. Cloud storage solves this very real, very basic problem. * The average person does not understand file systems. No, he will not understand file systems. No! He seriously won't. Cloud storage solves this problem by Abstraction(tm). * The average person does no…

1) we have seen recently that data can disappear also from cloud storage, so I don’t like talking about average person, because I am an average person in medical terms, but I still take the steps necessary to stay healthy, like doing periodic checkups, so the average person in tech needs to educate themselves in doing their backup or not complaining, I am not sure we have to build a society based on the needs of the…

I am sad to inform you that we are surrounded by average people and they dictate where we all go.

You asked "how many cloud services will have to give people unpleasant experiences for those same people to stop going all in on cloud services", and the answer to that is "Ain't nobody got time to 'puter.".

No, I'm not being facetious; I'm serious. The average person wants to use computers to enrich their lives, not manage computers and be sysadmins. Cloud storage is just one natural evolution path of that demand.

Hell, I'm not an average person and I'm also buying into cloud storage now. I'm in my mid 30s now and life isn't stopping; I want to become a greybeard, not a neckbeard.

Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

#113

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As long as homes don’t have high quality symmetric ipv6 fiber connections not hidden behind CGNAT, the cloud is here to stay. Ideally, you would be able to buy a ready to go NAS and set up your own cloud at home in a few easy steps.

The real question is why nobody ever looks at the smaller regional cloud providers when the big ones pull some stunt they don't like. There is hundreds of companies offering nextcloud hosting, and yet the presumption is that only the big 3 is viable.

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Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

#114
post #87

Doesn't the university have network drives?

Probably not, not if they bought into the o365 product hook line and sinker, which you kind of have to if your a windows shop as MS is using every dark pattern known to them to make it harder for office files to exist outside of one-drive/sharepoint365/teams.

It's teoretically possible if your vigilant of able to force users to use your published workflow to run windows with purely onprem resources but it's not the path of least resistance.

Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

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Cloud storage is better than local storage for the average person. * The average person does not do backups. No, he will not do backups. No! He seriously won't. Cloud storage solves this very real, very basic problem. * The average person does not understand file systems. No, he will not understand file systems. No! He seriously won't. Cloud storage solves this problem by Abstraction(tm). * The average person does no…

>The average person does not do backups. No, he will not do backups. No! He seriously won't. Cloud storage solves this very real, very basic problem. It should be technically feasible to make setting up backups to your own NAS at home as easy as backups to iCloud. So if people are backing up to iCloud, I do not see why they would not backup to their own NAS. Same for why they do not need to understand a file system j…

>It should be technically feasible to make setting up backups to your own NAS at home

A proper backup is 3 copies, 2 on different media, 1 offsite.

Absolutely no average person is going to bother with any of that. Three copies? Ridiculous, he will say. 2 different media? I ain't made of money, he will say; also WTF is a "media"? CNN can backup my stuff? 1 offsite? I'm not going to juggle stuff in and out of my bank's safe deposit box, he will say.

Cloud storage solves all of those concerns for less than pennies to a byte.

>Same for why they do not need to understand a file system just because they have a NAS.

Managing a computer of any kind requires understanding them, and that includes understanding file systems. Most people do not understand file systems, please stop telling them to because it's never going to happen.

>I don’t know what WTF means here.

"What the fuck" as in "WTF is '1TB'?", "WTF do I do with 1TB?", and "WTF is a 'NAS'?". Remember, we are talking about average people. Not computer wizards and sysadmins like most of us here.

Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

#116

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1) we have seen recently that data can disappear also from cloud storage, so I don’t like talking about average person, because I am an average person in medical terms, but I still take the steps necessary to stay healthy, like doing periodic checkups, so the average person in tech needs to educate themselves in doing their backup or not complaining, I am not sure we have to build a society based on the needs of the…

I am sad to inform you that we are surrounded by average people and they dictate where we all go. You asked "how many cloud services will have to give people unpleasant experiences for those same people to stop going all in on cloud services" , and the answer to that is "Ain't nobody got time to 'puter." . No, I'm not being facetious; I'm serious. The average person wants to use computers to enrich their lives, not m…

My point was not to limit the actions of average people, my point is to inform that cloud services have locked out people due to algorithms errors, have had data loss, have changed the ToS, etc. And average people should take their decisions being informed data cloud storage is volatile and can / has disappeared

Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) we have seen recently that data can disappear also from cloud storage, so I don’t like talking about average person, because I am an average person in medical terms, but I still take the steps necessary to stay healthy, like doing periodic checkups, so the average person in tech needs to educate themselves in doing their backup or not complaining, I am not sure we have to build a society based on the needs of the…

I am sad to inform you that we are surrounded by average people and they dictate where we all go. You asked "how many cloud services will have to give people unpleasant experiences for those same people to stop going all in on cloud services" , and the answer to that is "Ain't nobody got time to 'puter." . No, I'm not being facetious; I'm serious. The average person wants to use computers to enrich their lives, not m…

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Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

#118
post #104

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Then why single out Microsoft? And you haven't explained why are they bad.

This thread is about Microsoft, it’s pointing out their hypocrisy feigning concern about the environmental footprint of their cloud infrastructure.

Still no answer on why AIs are bad for the environment compared to not using AIs.

Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

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post #9

It sounds like it's McGill asking "And this is why we [McGill] are asking you to reduce the data stored in your OneDrive and in your Outlook email." https://www.mcgill.ca/polling/channels/news/important-onedri... But, amazingly, Microsoft did argue this nonsense: 1. security risk of storing files 2. environmental impact 3. ability for Microsoft to innovate more by deleting your stuff https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/e…

Yeah, literally scrambled and verified but I still have 25 Tera bytes of data (this is the limit since forever) with no notice of reduction. I'm not saying that this isn't true, but I'm saying that McGill admins can set data limits. Edit: our IT admins are really baffled too and will now verify with Microsoft if this is an actual thing or just poor phrasing from McGill. Update: there'll be a change apparently but not…

What Microsoft is saying is that they're limiting OneDrive accounts to a max of 100GB, but that comes from the 100TB of pooled storage for students since those accounts are free. Faculty accounts (A3 or A5 licenses per a link posted by someone else) will add an additional 50 or 100GB of space since the school is actually paying for those licenses. And schools can buy additional storage in 10TB blocks.

Clearly it's primarily a cost saving measure, and I suspect it will be a significant change for some schools, but I suspect the numbers chosen were based on what most schools are using.

Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

#120
post #6

Incredible. McGill really went all-in on cloud storage without ANY local backups. An institution. Wow. I bet next you’ll tell me they’re gonna open a consumer Backblaze account.

This is pretty standard in corporations these days. My org did the same. The assumption is that if it’s not in confluence or GitHub then it’s not worth keeping this goes in one drive. It is quite frankly insane.

Enterprise backup solutions are high maintenance product even when they actually do what they claim which is not a guarantee. And the way onedrive sneaks it's way into the organisation without an structured plan means that they often don't get covered by backup policies the way you might do if IT was commissioning a fileshare or locally hosted product using traditional non-agile processes.
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