Didn't Microsoft just render hundreds of milions of devices useless (for Windows) a few months ago, to push for their TPM requirements?
Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons
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#92“We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying.”
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#93Is that the same Microsoft which is throwing money into running environmentally destructive AI workloads as their key business driver?
Are Google's, Meta's, Tencent's or Alibaba's AI workloads more environmentally friendly, or what am I missing from this point?
And AI's are destructive for the environment why? Is it more environmentally friendly to waste a lot more human time with less compute power doing mundane repetitive shit for hours that an AI/LLM can summarize or answer in seconds?
With that logic it's also more environmentally friendly to use an ox to plow the fields instead of a diesel John Deer.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
You remind me of my professor telling me not to complain about low memory. He then will tell me about how much he was excited when he could have a machine with 1MB memory in 1980s when he was my age.
48 KB on my case, in 1986, with a Timex 2068. Later on I was kind of envious of my friends with an Amiga 500 and its 512 KB, until getting a 386 SX, with 2 MB in 1992. Yeah, really understand where the professor was coming from.
These discussions always remind me that I was born between two eras. I am too young to have lived through seeing how little resources computers had and how limited network communication was. But also too old to be in the era where people grow up with abundance of tech (personal phones, computers...etc).
So, I am still amazed by how people on the two sides spectrum grew up.
Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons
#95Is that the same Microsoft which is throwing money into running environmentally destructive AI workloads as their key business driver?
Are Google's, Meta's, Tencent's or Alibaba's AI workloads more environmentally friendly, or what am I missing from this point? And AI's are destructive for the environment why? Is it more environmentally friendly to waste a lot more human time with less compute power doing mundane repetitive shit for hours that an AI/LLM can summarize or answer in seconds? With that logic it's also more environmentally friendly to us…
No they are just as bad.
Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are Google's, Meta's, Tencent's or Alibaba's AI workloads more environmentally friendly, or what am I missing from this point? And AI's are destructive for the environment why? Is it more environmentally friendly to waste a lot more human time with less compute power doing mundane repetitive shit for hours that an AI/LLM can summarize or answer in seconds? With that logic it's also more environmentally friendly to us…
No they are just as bad.
Then why single out Microsoft? And you haven't explained why are they bad.
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#97It sounds like it's McGill asking "And this is why we [McGill] are asking you to reduce the data stored in your OneDrive and in your Outlook email." https://www.mcgill.ca/polling/channels/news/important-onedri... But, amazingly, Microsoft did argue this nonsense: 1. security risk of storing files 2. environmental impact 3. ability for Microsoft to innovate more by deleting your stuff https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/e…
Not every instance of Propaganda or Mass Surveilance warrants a 1984 reference. Very few in relation to how often it is invoked. Newspeak is very specifically about the idea of making some ideas impossible to express. You seem to be calling Microsoft's bullshit pretty well. (Simlarly, panopticism is about supressing expression of ideas though the threat of surveilance and subsequent repression, and going by how much…
Doubleplusungood. Truthspeak in Oldspeak, Microsoft’s words unbellyfeel Ingsoc. In Newspeak, Microsoft’s words duckspeak, ungood fullwise. Realworldwise, Microsoft’s words bellyfeel blackwhite. Miniluv not need for ungood thinkpol – Microsoft own duckspeak does unperson wrongthink. Microsoft’s words own ungood crimethink. Plusungood.
Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons
#98On the Microsoft page[1] about this change they say > Storage of this “dark” data takes up space on servers and results in increased electricity consumption, generating 4% of global greenhouse gas emissions in 2020 alone. Where "dark" data is data that is unused. However they link to this World Economic Forum Page [2] which says > In 2020, digitisation was purported to generate 4% of global greenhouse gas emissions.…
> > In 2020, digitisation was purported to generate 4% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
> So the 4% figure is not the storage of only dark data, but the storage of ALL data.
Even that sounds like a misread. "Digitisation" can refer to the sum total of moving a product or service or process to be digitised; that would also include the compute cost as well as the storage.
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#99If Microsoft cutting cost by limiting storage capacity can be construed to be done for environmental reasons, then why can't Google lay-offs be construed similarly? This is not changing the mix of energy production, it is not changing the supply of energy, it just changes the demand. Lay-offs similarly also reduce the demand on energy since people have less money to buy things that are energy intensive to produce, an…
What is the point you're making? MSFT don't care about the environment because they're choosing reducing storage energy usage over famine and war?
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#100Just a philosophical question, that I think is on topic, I wonder how many cloud services will have to give people unpleasant experiences for those same people to stop going all in on cloud services, especially in the era of we reserve the right to change the terms and conditions without notice at our discretion At this point I’m not even mad with Microsoft
As long as homes don’t have high quality symmetric ipv6 fiber connections not hidden behind CGNAT, the cloud is here to stay. Ideally, you would be able to buy a ready to go NAS and set up your own cloud at home in a few easy steps.
Cloud storage is better than local storage for the average person.
* The average person does not do backups. No, he will not do backups. No! He seriously won't. Cloud storage solves this very real, very basic problem.
* The average person does not understand file systems. No, he will not understand file systems. No! He seriously won't. Cloud storage solves this problem by Abstraction(tm).
* The average person does not use much disk space; the biggest chunk is probably the photos on his phone. Combined with the previous, a 1TB HDD/SSD in a NAS at home is "WTF" and "WTF" for him.
Note, we aren't average people.