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Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

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Apple cut the phone charger for environmental reasons too. It always has to be the end user who sacrifices for the environment.

They could make the theme for bing and other microsoft websites dark instead of white, literally just a change of color, if they wanted to reduce screen power usage globally - so many "no impact" changes with software that this has to be a fake justification.

Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

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Incredible. McGill really went all-in on cloud storage without ANY local backups. An institution. Wow. I bet next you’ll tell me they’re gonna open a consumer Backblaze account.

This is pretty standard in corporations these days. My org did the same. The assumption is that if it’s not in confluence or GitHub then it’s not worth keeping this goes in one drive. It is quite frankly insane.

Not at all for universities I would say, at least in EU, but maybe here there is just more care in general put into privacy issues and where the data is stored.

But in general it is a trend that IT services are outsourced and that IT departments, and in general administration, in many universities suffer cuts, which is really bad. Apart from the problems this causes, imo this also pauses a security risk as if people's needs are not well covered by services provided, people will find their own solutions without knowledge or consideration to security.

Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

#53
post #10

Apple cut the phone charger for environmental reasons too. It always has to be the end user who sacrifices for the environment.

Sacrifices? Who wanted a different charger that only works on their phone? I like having one connector for everything.

I don't see how that's related at all. Apple chargers were always just dumb USB-A bricks, they didn't care what device you were charging with them or what kind of port it had. I don't remember when was the last time any phone came with a charger with an integrated cable instead of just USB-A/C output.

Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a valid criticism. The only thing that usb-c got right as a standard was the symmetrical shape.

Just like mobile phones had in '90s.

Oh my god, not from sony, at least!

That company had tremendous hardware but the serious affliction of being grotesquely obsessed with proprietary everything. I have nightmares trying to sort through my old boxes of cables.

Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

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post #51
post #10

Apple cut the phone charger for environmental reasons too. It always has to be the end user who sacrifices for the environment.

They could make the theme for bing and other microsoft websites dark instead of white, literally just a change of color, if they wanted to reduce screen power usage globally - so many "no impact" changes with software that this has to be a fake justification.

How would that help in the slightest though? Majority of monitors worldwide are just normal TN/IPS/VA panels, for them the colour of the pixels makes absolutely no difference in power consumption. While OLED monitors exist, they are pretty much a niche within a niche.

Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

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post #5

Is that the same Microsoft which is throwing money into running environmentally destructive AI workloads as their key business driver?

Same Microsoft that's forcing roughly 250 million perfectly fine PCs to be replaced due to new Windows 11 "requirements" and Windows 10 EOL.

Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

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post #9

It sounds like it's McGill asking "And this is why we [McGill] are asking you to reduce the data stored in your OneDrive and in your Outlook email." https://www.mcgill.ca/polling/channels/news/important-onedri... But, amazingly, Microsoft did argue this nonsense: 1. security risk of storing files 2. environmental impact 3. ability for Microsoft to innovate more by deleting your stuff https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/e…

> Microsoft’s storage reduction is driven by security risks [...]

> Sustainability is an important consideration that drove Microsoft to make that decision.

Why is a university IT's announcement written as if by Microsoft's PR office? The style of the announcement is very weird. Has McGill outsourced all IT support services to Microsoft, thus it is written essentially by them?

Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

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post #9

It sounds like it's McGill asking "And this is why we [McGill] are asking you to reduce the data stored in your OneDrive and in your Outlook email." https://www.mcgill.ca/polling/channels/news/important-onedri... But, amazingly, Microsoft did argue this nonsense: 1. security risk of storing files 2. environmental impact 3. ability for Microsoft to innovate more by deleting your stuff https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/e…

Yeah, literally scrambled and verified but I still have 25 Tera bytes of data (this is the limit since forever) with no notice of reduction. I'm not saying that this isn't true, but I'm saying that McGill admins can set data limits. Edit: our IT admins are really baffled too and will now verify with Microsoft if this is an actual thing or just poor phrasing from McGill. Update: there'll be a change apparently but not…

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Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

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If Microsoft cutting cost by limiting storage capacity can be construed to be done for environmental reasons, then why can't Google lay-offs be construed similarly? This is not changing the mix of energy production, it is not changing the supply of energy, it just changes the demand.

Lay-offs similarly also reduce the demand on energy since people have less money to buy things that are energy intensive to produce, and have less money to pay their electricity bills and fuel.

Sure, in the long term this move by MSFT may reduce new energy producing capacity coming online, but so will lay-offs, and pay cuts, and recessions, depressions, famine and war.

I don't think it's bad that MSFT is cutting cost in this way, it makes them a more efficient business, but this is being done for cost-cutting, not because MSFT cares deeply about the environment, it just so happens that money is a proxy for energy (i.e. the ability to generate entropy) and most cost-cutting will also reduce energy demand regardless of the nature of that cost-cutting.

Re: Microsoft limits institutional cloud storage space for environmental reasons

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post #9

It sounds like it's McGill asking "And this is why we [McGill] are asking you to reduce the data stored in your OneDrive and in your Outlook email." https://www.mcgill.ca/polling/channels/news/important-onedri... But, amazingly, Microsoft did argue this nonsense: 1. security risk of storing files 2. environmental impact 3. ability for Microsoft to innovate more by deleting your stuff https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/e…

Yeah, literally scrambled and verified but I still have 25 Tera bytes of data (this is the limit since forever) with no notice of reduction. I'm not saying that this isn't true, but I'm saying that McGill admins can set data limits. Edit: our IT admins are really baffled too and will now verify with Microsoft if this is an actual thing or just poor phrasing from McGill. Update: there'll be a change apparently but not…

25TB would be $750 monthly if I read it right.

Compare that to datacenter NAS with RAID and with replica NAS redundancy and operating overhead (space, power, people), you're looking at a 9 months to 18 months price tradeoff before factoring in how to maintain a rotating set of users/accounts' storage. Storage is an area it's not difficult to do better than cloud if you are single user just storing one user's content, but it's much harder to do better than cloud if you have user management at scale to add in.

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