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Flying kites deliver container-sized power generation

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Re: Flying kites deliver container-sized power generation

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> After the tether reaches its maximum length, the ground station winches the kite back in. Though the Hawk must expend energy for reel-in, it expends only a fraction of the energy work=force*distance, so presumably the kite can be controlled such that it exerts less force when they reel it back in?

That's my thought from kite boarding, releasing tension on the trailing edge will depower the kite to stall speed

Re: Flying kites deliver container-sized power generation

#152

Is there anything stopping them from adding a turbine system to the kite that would continuously spin (when there's wind ofc) instead of reeling it in/out?

That increases costs because now you need transmission lines down to the kite instead of only the dyneema lines for control.

Re: Flying kites deliver container-sized power generation

#153

How is the kite raised initially and what happens when air stops, how is it re-raised? Reading the article seems like it's pulled back if air is stopping, and slowly released based on air speed perhaps.

The bright side is that wind doesn't tend to stop as much 325m up

Re: Flying kites deliver container-sized power generation

#155
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It's an amazing project, but, out of curiosity: Why do all the AWE projects except Google's seem to use the reel-in/reel-out approach and don't attach turbines to the kite itself? Reel-in/reel-out seems a lot more complicated, power inefficient and taxing on the material than just having the kite up there (semi-) permanently. I assume there are some technical reasons why turbines are less practical, but could anyone…

one simple reason is that if you generate power at the top you need to bring it down which means you have a giant high power cable attached to the kite. presumably this makes testing more dangerous because you really don't want that cable to crash into anything.

Re: Flying kites deliver container-sized power generation

#156

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Of course it doesn't. We don't build nuclear generators with pre-approved unusable exclusions zones. This is a ridiculous suggestion. Should we consider the potential blast radius of the catastrophic failure of wind turbines as well? You literally cannot build structures in the path of a wind turbine if you want it to function.

>Of course it doesn't. We don't build nuclear generators with pre-approved unusable exclusions zones. This is a ridiculous suggestion. I'm not suggesting we assign 5,000km^2 to each individual nuclear plant, just in case they explode. I'm suggesting the 5,000km^2 that currently exists as barren nuclear wasteland should be included in the total land attributed to nuclear energy. That would bring down the average gener…

At least we can put lots of nuclear plants in that 5,000 km^2 area so that definition becomes irrelevant for this discussion. Maybe putting the absolute maximum power generated if we turn all available lands to that purpose only is the best metric

Re: Flying kites deliver container-sized power generation

#158
post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wind turbines can be built big enough that the blades, at the lowest point, are higher than almost all other land uses, except perhaps forestry. To be honest, the access roads are probably the biggest real impediment to using the land around a wind turbine. Can't exactly farm millions of acres of corn with robotic combine harvesters with a criss-cross of access roads to the base of every turbine.

> Can't exactly farm millions of acres of corn with robotic combine harvesters with a criss-cross of access roads to the base of every turbine. You certainly can; single-objective suboptimality is not the same as impossibility. But perhaps this would be an excellent use-case for heavy-lift dirigibles.

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Re: Flying kites deliver container-sized power generation

#159

I worked at a small kite power startup in 2019. Unfortunately we couldn't secure funding to keep operating. It became quite difficult to secure funding after Google suspended their Makani moonshot project - potential funders were like "well, Google got out of this so why do you think we should fund you?". (though our kites were much smaller than Makani's and we didn't need a huge amount of funding to keep developing)…

Did you guys look at boats/maritime as a potential market? Would sea winds make certain things easier? Harder?

Re: Flying kites deliver container-sized power generation

#160
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> It says, unsurprisingly, that the most land efficient power source is nuclear Not true if you factor in waste storage and the time to store it Long after all the nuclear energy has been used making your toast, and long after many cycles of climate change, you will still be storing hi level nuclear waste, and monitoring it. But who cares about tomorrow? Party on, and let future generations pay!

How does this calculation work? Take simple chemical pollution, for example with lead - as far as I can tell, it stays around forever and we,ve poisoned vast landscapes with it during mining coal copper for example. Or take simple industrial waste , say wind turbine blades, they go to landfill, sure they aren’t hurting anyone but there are a lot of them- does it count?

Other causes of pollution (related to lead, coal, copper...) aren't excuses for nuclear pollution.

AFAIK more and more (many even most, nowadays, as it is legally mandatory in many European nations) are recycled.

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