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Re: Microsoft is Dead

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Post by bklooste » Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 9:54 AM UTC

Im increasingly beginning to believe that Web 2.0 will die... Its an abomination think what Web 2.0 applications are

Middle ware apps - with java script clients , a language where few people have the required skils - A non deterministic rending system for the UI with archaic postbacks - A back end which is also badly dated - an inefficient protocol that sens 10-13 bytes of data for each byte if you need to send binary data .. or you need to encode it. - A slow and polluted UI . as marketers push flash etc into pages as well as browser addins - Security issues due to the browser architecture itself.

For a limited number of companies who can afford to hand craft their javascrips ( ie not ASP.NET / server components) and who need broad reach Web 2.0 is good , but for most enterprises its a poor solution. Delivering java /.Net apps to your clients is far cheaper / more maintanable model with betetr user experience.

I have had a look at Silverlight(WPF/E ) and it seems to have much better rendering/performance and be more elegant but its from Microsoft.

Regards,

Ben

Re: Microsoft is Dead

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Post by moko » Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 2:11 AM UTC

Please don't stoop to worshipping Google, the new world doesn't allow giants in it anymore.

And Microsoft's main problem is, has always been, and is killing them now - that their software is rubbish. The DOS TSR model they have pushed since the 80's could only go so far. UNIX models are now, we know with 20-20 hindsight, the only viable long term OS model.

And what did M$ bring to the table, exactly? Everyone says "They made the desktop a reality when Apple were charging too much!" - maybe so, but did you NEED that desktop? No, really, seriously, did you need it?

PC's were incapable of running serious apps simultaneously until about the time Linux's X started to really work. Word 5 for DOS was probably the last decent version of Word. OS/2 was a near-perfect OS for small scale applications There were others, nearly all forgotten.

So what was Windows? I'll tell you. A backplane that allowed Word and Excell to be run at the same time.

I'll re-iterate that.

Windows was only ever: A backplane that allowed Word and Excell to be run at the same time.

All the hard work is done by the application writers.

AND - before you squawk "Driver Database! Driver Database!" - that's the same thing, the work was thrown onto the manufacturers whilst Microsoft just provided a truly awful API for them to work with, then another, then another....

Really.....Windows never brought much along at all. It is one of the most amazing marketing parlour tricks ever pulled off, like Madonna, like WMD's in Iraq - newsy and flashy and utterly empty. "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing..."

Re: Microsoft is Dead

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Post by BostonGeorge » Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 4:23 PM UTC

moko wrote: post #452

Please don't stoop to worshipping Google, the new world doesn't allow giants in it anymore. And Microsoft's main problem is, has always been, and is killing them now - that their software is rubbish. The DOS TSR model they have pushed since the 80's could only go so far. UNIX models are now, we know with 20-20 hindsight, the only viable long term OS model. And what did M$ bring to the table, exactly? Everyone says "T…

Since Windows is the only OS model that is measured in multiples of all the other models, that is to say "Windows has 10 times the users of Unix, or 1,000x the user base of the Mac OS, I think you could say that Windows, is a viable long term OS model. You think that we really didn't need a desktop? You must be a communist. Oh and I'll agree with you on WMD's in Iraq, but please don't bring Madonna into this.

Re: Microsoft is Dead

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Post by Mr_Jingles » Sat, Aug 11, 2007, 3:08 AM UTC

You're a freaking douche. Sure, Microsoft is no longer the empire it once was, but Mircosoft will still contain its presence in the computer world. Windows is becoming more and more similar to Macs. But Mac is still too specialized to be used for everyone. Why do you think Microsoft has power? Because anyone can use the system. Even a granny can use it now. So what? It makes it better in the marketing business. And having your applications on web based makes it only easier for hacking. The desktop mode or having applications that are on your system and not web based is a bit more safer. Linux is a good example. Each folder is encrypted and requires its own password to get into that folder or file. You probably already know this. But Microsoft has dug its own grave with the new Vista OS system. This totally ruins the great idea of open ended systems.Microsoft is becoming similar to Mac in the way its creating computers and hardware to become more closed ended. Mac has a backup file sytem when you delete a file you really want to delete it doesn't delete it but encrypts it. Thus space is never really cleaned out unless you unencrypt it.Plus most compatibilty with streaming video, games and smiliar media does not work with MAC. Macs are used for creating multimedia not running itI'm no Microsoft fan, but I appriecate your outlook that Microsoft has lost its influence, but your arguments don't really hold water. Think a bit.