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Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by hulitu »

coldtea wrote: post #237
graemep wrote: post #221

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Lots of people who do good work have done awful things. I love Oscar Wilde's plays, but he was a paedophile sex tourist. Eric Gill created beautiful stuff, including typefaces most of us probably use or read fairly often, and he sexual abused his children and his dog.

"Pedophile" back then often just meant "gay". In French pedé (pedophile) was the regular way to say "homosexual". Also the age of consent was lower back then, and untold numbers of "normal respectable ethical people" who back then would otherwise condemn Wilde as "pedophile" did marry girls at 14 or so. Before the 20th century basically after 13-14 kids were considered more like short adults than as a special categor…

Yeah, right.

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Post by bjourne »

ghaff wrote: post #191
bjourne wrote: post #99

ReiserFS is the only Linux file system that has lost me data. Back in the day it had performance advantages when dealing with small files. But now I'd be very surprised if ext4 isn't superior to it in every conceivable way.

There's an argument for copy-on-write filesystem options but it's pretty hard to argue there needs to be more than 2 or 3 "traditional" journaling filesystems like maybe ext4 and XFS.

I beg to differ. In 2024 we know that COW is bad regardless of whether we're talking about disk or memory.

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Post by sph »

coldtea wrote: post #224
sph wrote: post #19

I think about Hans Reiser pretty often, incidentally, because there is a quote from him I read as a teenager that stuck with me. "The utility of an operating system is proportional to the number of connections possible between its components, than it is to the number of those components." — Hans Reiser (from http://web.archive.org/web/20040126210110/http://unununium.o... ) It's hard to reconcile good things a person…

> This is the only time I feel I am able to share that quote, on a thread that hopefully tries to look past the right and wrong of his actions. Well, people would still use the theory of relativity if Einstein was proven to be a serial killer, so intelligent people who don't play it "hollier than thou" should be able to separate between some person's acts and their unrelated achievements or expressions.

Scientists would, while Twitter and average Joes will be discussing ad nauseam whether to rename the theory and delete the name Einstein from history books.

Wasn't there a similar discussion about renaming the James Webb Space Telescope? He was not even a murderer.

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Post by wtracy »

starfallg wrote: post #190
pdntspa wrote: post #114

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Certainly, I have an issue with this idea that everything a person does gets cancelled because the person gets cancelled. Particularly in this era of intense political polarization.... It is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The world is full of examples of art and science from troubled individuals; much of our foundational understanding of certain areas of science is derived from the learned experiences of i…

ReiserFS and BTRFS are the only 2 Linux filesystems that truly ate my data. Everything else I was able to substantially recover from.

ReiserFS and BTRFS always seemed like the two big "performance over reliability" Linux file systems.

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Post by flatt »

hnbad wrote: post #156
skjoldr wrote: post #136

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Psychopaths are still people even if their brains are broken. It is indeed hard to integrate them into society, especially if their family did a bad job of it in their childhood.

In a better country he'd be in therapy rather than in prison. Alas the US legal system only exists to detain people, not to allow them to become unbroken. I wholly believe psychopaths can be redeemed and live a fulfilling life without hurting anyone if given the proper support and guidance. I don't for a second believe the US legal system is equipped to do that, especially the prison system.

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Post by sph »

chubot wrote: post #243
sph wrote: post #19

I think about Hans Reiser pretty often, incidentally, because there is a quote from him I read as a teenager that stuck with me. "The utility of an operating system is proportional to the number of connections possible between its components, than it is to the number of those components." — Hans Reiser (from http://web.archive.org/web/20040126210110/http://unununium.o... ) It's hard to reconcile good things a person…

FWIW this is highly related to what I think of as the "narrow waist" architectural principle. You may like these articles I wrote: The Internet Was Designed With a Narrow Waist - https://www.oilshell.org/blog/2022/02/diagrams.html The Internet has huge utility because TCP/IP is a narrow waist. It has architectural connections to Ethernet/wireless/... on one end, and HTTP/BitTorrent/... on the other. For the most func…

Yeah, I can see the similarity. Thanks for the links.

Also, vaguely related, and a way to achieve this goal of making things composable, is the "everything is an X" pattern: https://lukeplant.me.uk/blog/posts/everything-is-an-x-patter...

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Post by bombcar »

jacquesm wrote: post #272
bombcar wrote: post #264

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Everything I've seen indicates that the "court" seemed to think it was a case of "murder in red blood" or whatever they call getting angry and killing your wife these days, with a dose of "very intentional coverup afterwards". Had he driven the car with her dead body directly to the police, he probably would have received the three year sentence or even less.

More has come out since the trial (and mostly on account of Reiser himself making very hard to walk back claims on the record in another court case).

Not saying they were right, but that's likely what they were feeling (and maybe even the family was pushing for - they clearly knew she was dead, and just wanted the children out of the whole thing).

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Post by webnrrd2k »

jonathankoren wrote: post #42
dale_glass wrote: post #17

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He was far less of a mastermind than he fancied himself at the time. If I recall, he bought a book on murder investigations and a socket set after his wife's disappearance (which was easily tracked back to him), removed car seats (blood) from his car, and willingly testified in court that it was his manly dream to sleep in the car, or something along these lines. He could have likely gotten away with it if he kept hi…

I will always remember the Slashdot comment that said that removing the passenger seat of your car so you could sleep in your car was a reasonable thing to do, and everyone saying it was suspicious was a hater. (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) I think it was my first experience with absolute egregious fanboism.

It's certainly not common, but I had a friend in highschool that took out the front passenger seat of his VW bug, to make it easier to get surfboards into the car. He normally just had a folding chair for passengers.

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Post by efitz »

TomK32 wrote: post #48
themerone wrote: post #20

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Drunk driving is a stupid thing people do. Murder is an act of evil.

I don't understand and can't accept why crimes committed while drunk get you a lesser punishment than a crime committed while sober.

Because our justice system believes intent is an element of criminality, not just effect.

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Post by _a_a_a_ »

martin8412 wrote: post #273
_a_a_a_ wrote: post #225

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> Oscar Wilde's ... was a paedophile sex tourist I've never heard of him being into children, have you a link for this, thanks (also, 'sex tourist'?)

Apparently he went to North Africa and Italy. Plus he was what would be called a rapist today. Mind you, I don't know if this is a reliable source. https://thefederalist.com/2018/09/18/time-left-stop-idolizin... I'm not really a fan of applying modern standards in historical contexts. Times change, but even today the age of consent is 16 in the UK. Condemning him for being 30+ and having sex with 15-16 year old boys…

Extremely informative, thanks. Agree with you about the difficulty of interpreting morality over timespans and cultures.
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