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Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by jakeonthemove »

frou_dh wrote: post #25
oinksoft wrote: post #5

I'd just like to say that I'm very thankful Firefox has neither invisible scrollbars nor inertial scrolling. F11 is full-screen in Firefox.

Inertial scrolling felt bad to me at first, but I've come to enjoy it after giving it a fair shot. This is often the case with UI / design changes. (I also remember being convinced that Win9x-style aliased font rendering was the pinnacle and shunned ClearType and co. for a few years)

Haha, ClearType did suck one some monitors - it looked horrible on some CRTs and earlier LCDs (I clearly remember the pain in my eyes :-)...

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by st3fan »

jasonlotito wrote: post #46
tlrobinson wrote: post #43

An aside: Lion's fullscreen support is awful. I have my TV hooked up to my computer and can't fullscreen anything that uses Lion's fullscreen API. http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/17941/how-do-i-run-...

Lion's fullscreen support is a security hazard as well. Leave something full screen, close your laptop, and come back to it hours later, and you can open up your laptop without it asking for a password. Pretty sure that's not intended.

I've never seen that. I use lion fullscreen mode all the time and i am very certain that my macbook still asks for a password after waking up.

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by srbravo1 »

nknight wrote: post #48
srbravo1 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is sad that a large percentage of people who seek common interests can be so dark to each other. Why does disrespect and self pride seem, at least in the nerd culture today, to be tolerated by so many? I have been in environments where it was cool to be a bully but where the stereotypical computer scientist are known to have been bullied at some point in his/her own life, I am surprised to find such negativity her…

You are making many faulty assumptions, attacking a culture you clearly do not understand in the least. To call something braindamaged in hacker culture is well understood as a personal value judgement with certain connotations. It has absolutely nothing to do with bullying, "darkness", or negativity. If anything, it is you who is being a bully, barging in and telling us how we should behave without even grasping who…

Hmm, I humbly admit I was ignorant with the terminology. Obviously I am not deep in the culture you speak of. I am sorry that I pushed my opinion under your comment. These thoughts have been building from other situations. I should have seen this coming.

Maybe I "do not understand in the least". I personally still feel what I said has some merit and was not hard to see that I meant to inspire positivity more so then to come across as judgmental. I think you and me both know I was not bullying you to be something you all are not. I say "all" because you spoke of "we". If you are justified in saying "we" and can't relate/respect what I am saying, then I don't think I want to be part of your circle.

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by nicalsilva »

nknight wrote: post #48
srbravo1 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is sad that a large percentage of people who seek common interests can be so dark to each other. Why does disrespect and self pride seem, at least in the nerd culture today, to be tolerated by so many? I have been in environments where it was cool to be a bully but where the stereotypical computer scientist are known to have been bullied at some point in his/her own life, I am surprised to find such negativity her…

You are making many faulty assumptions, attacking a culture you clearly do not understand in the least. To call something braindamaged in hacker culture is well understood as a personal value judgement with certain connotations. It has absolutely nothing to do with bullying, "darkness", or negativity. If anything, it is you who is being a bully, barging in and telling us how we should behave without even grasping who…

I don't know about this particular series of comments, but I second him on the idea that often some comments on HN smell like "If I troll harder I'm gonna look cooler". It somewhat degrades the overall quality IMO.

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by jasomill »

masklinn wrote: post #15
comex wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, and there is no excuse for jerky scrolling and a broken full screen mode.

> a broken full screen mode. The only broken full screen mode is Lion's. If anything, I am saddened Firefox is switching to that POS.

Only in multiple-monitor setups, and for applications that don't support it well, or at all. It's clearly designed for a single display and trackpad gestures, where it works nicely in most cases.

This doesn't excuse applications (e.g., VMware Fusion, sorta-kinda, and then only in some cases, and apparently now Firefox) that are replacing their existing full-screen support that works better in other situations, alas.

Trouble I see is figuring out what a "universally applicable full-screen mode" should even look like in the possible presence of one or more displays arranged arbitrarily, each with one or more virtual desktops. For instance, on my single 27" 16:9 display, I'd prefer browser and e-reader full screen modes with configurable left and right margins, and PDF readers that force portrait documents ONLY into 2-up, non-"continuous" mode, in all these cases with no chrome whatsoever (even when browsing with tabs), while in VMware, I'd prefer an option to choose either Lion-style or "classic" full screen, as I like both for different applications. But, on the whole, imperfect as it remains, I prefer the Lion set-up to Snow Leopard's in most cases. If I ever have room on my desktop for TWO 27" displays, I might say the opposite (and did, in fact, when I had two smaller screens rather than my current set-up).

And both are better than the Windows 8 preview's "full-screen only for crippled, tablet-style applications" model, because, e.g., I WANT Remote Desktop to stay connected in the background (to be fair, though, Windows 7 and 8 do have better built-in "fullish screen" window management features than any OS X version, but this is very easy to fix in OS X with either AppleScript or third-party tools).

Short of writing my own window manager, Web browser, etc., I'd personally be very, very hard to please all the time. Case in point: should Apple support TWO multi-touch trackpads with independent, configurable gestures? Probably not, but that didn't stop me from finding a workaround (hint: Wacom's latest tablets have gesture support).

Heck, I've seriously considered wiring up a MIDI pedal controller as a hyper key in Emacs, but I certainly don't expect any OS to support this out-of-the-box...

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by mark_story »

comex wrote: post #9
spicyj wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? You can turn those off globally if you don't like them.

Indeed, and there is no excuse for jerky scrolling and a broken full screen mode.

People actually use full screen mode on a browser? I thought we were past only being able to see one application at a time, with multiple monitors and higher-resolution screens, I don't understand why you would want to full screen most applications.

The only application I ever full screen is iTerm2, and that's only so I can get enough screen room to open 10 split windows in vim.

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by jasonlotito »

st3fan wrote: post #53
jasonlotito wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lion's fullscreen support is a security hazard as well. Leave something full screen, close your laptop, and come back to it hours later, and you can open up your laptop without it asking for a password. Pretty sure that's not intended.

I've never seen that. I use lion fullscreen mode all the time and i am very certain that my macbook still asks for a password after waking up.

I've had it happen to me several times. It's always been jarring. Last time it happened, it was Preview that had been full screen.

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by callahad »

mark_story wrote: post #57
comex wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, and there is no excuse for jerky scrolling and a broken full screen mode.

People actually use full screen mode on a browser? I thought we were past only being able to see one application at a time, with multiple monitors and higher-resolution screens, I don't understand why you would want to full screen most applications. The only application I ever full screen is iTerm2, and that's only so I can get enough screen room to open 10 split windows in vim.

My primary machine is an 11" MacBook Air. Its resolution is 1366x768. Full-screen windows are still quite valuable in that form factor, especially so when using mail clients, office software, etc.
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