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Re: Show HN: I got tired of stressing about my karma, so I wrote this.

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I like the karma system overall, and I think the general quality of discussion on HN is evidence that things are mostly working well. The only thing I find off about it is the average karma on profile pages. Personally, I find that it subconsciously dissuades me from commenting anywhere that is likely to result in few/no upvotes. My first comment on a story might get 20, 40, 80 upvotes, but any extended discussion is…

"The only thing I find off about it is the average karma on profile pages. Personally, I find that it subconsciously dissuades me from commenting anywhere that is likely to result in few/no upvotes. My first comment on a story might get 20, 40, 80 upvotes, but any extended discussion is going to be rather nested, and so you're essentially burning through your average as each comment sits with only one or two votes. Similarly, commenting on "unpopular" articles means few people will see your comment, so you're pulling your average down again."

It's not just commenting on unpopular articles and deeply nested discussions that will pull your average karma down, but commenting on old articles.

By the time I find an interesting article to comment on, it will usually be at least a day old. Nevertheless, I tend to comment there anyway, in full knowledge that very few people will ever read my comment or upvote it, because most of the action on HN happens within the first day, and most people move on to the newest articles very quickly.

The way HN handles average karma calculation in such circumstances is pretty sad because of the disincentive it places on people to comment on good older articles, which are often much more interesting and worthwhile than your typical new article.

This problem is compounded by HN's attempts to disallow duplicate article postings (though there are ways around that), and lack of automatic linking to previous discussions on the same article (though manual linking is occasionally done by HN users themselves).

In short, there should be a way to keep productive discussions going, rather than effectively placing a limit of about 1 day on any given discussion.

I hate to praise web forums in any way, but I do think one thing they get right is to usually bring any threads which have been recently commented on back to the top. HN would benefit from a similar approach.

Re: Show HN: I got tired of stressing about my karma, so I wrote this.

#42
post #17

I like the karma system overall, and I think the general quality of discussion on HN is evidence that things are mostly working well. The only thing I find off about it is the average karma on profile pages. Personally, I find that it subconsciously dissuades me from commenting anywhere that is likely to result in few/no upvotes. My first comment on a story might get 20, 40, 80 upvotes, but any extended discussion is…

Karma matters to me. It puts the good replies on the top of the page, the bad ones move down. And that´s the main purpose I think.

That feature doesn't rely on showing you your karma at all though. Why does anyone care what their personal karma score is. I mean what difference does it really make, outside of this tiny corner of the internet? Or even here?

Re: Show HN: I got tired of stressing about my karma, so I wrote this.

#43
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Updates to your karma average are a rolling average and updated asychronously. Basically it takes your comments numbered 6-50, throws out the highest-scoring one, and averages them.

If karma average were based on only those comments between 6 and 50 points, everyone's average would be between 6 and 50 points. That's not the case. Can you elaborate?

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Re: Show HN: I got tired of stressing about my karma, so I wrote this.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often times the people complaining about groupthink are also the ones acting immature. If you inject in your comment the feel of someone trying to rebel ("I know I'm going to get down voted..." or "I hate to be that guy..."), you're already starting off wrong. Act the part of an adult and you'll be treated like one. I've found that if I spend a few minutes to justify my belief, and approach the discussion as that of…

>Often times the people complaining about groupthink are also the ones acting immature. Not everytime though. Especially in topics like Microsoft/Apple/Google, the moderation is brutal if you don't fit in the groupthink. A big example: http://winsupersite.com is hellbanned on HN from being submitted as a story(if you do it will show up for you, but actually it's killed so won't show up for others at all). What crime…

Perhaps winsupersite's karma ran over HN's dogma.

Re: Show HN: I got tired of stressing about my karma, so I wrote this.

#45

Something I'd like to see is a "HN Enhancement Suite", kind of like Reddit. I don't at this time have the JS chops to pull something like this off, but what I'd add: * User tagging * Un-hellbanning per user (Find someone who has legitimate contributions yet is hellbanned? Restores their posts to a normal color and moves their post closer to the top in a thread) * Ignore text lightening for downvoted posts * Hide post…

There is no per-user unhellbanning. The cadre hellbans with extreme prejudice and we change our logins when we see lies and disinformation being spread by the YC apologists and the willing dupes.

That works out to several times per week.

Re: Show HN: I got tired of stressing about my karma, so I wrote this.

#46
post #24

I like the karma system overall, and I think the general quality of discussion on HN is evidence that things are mostly working well. The only thing I find off about it is the average karma on profile pages. Personally, I find that it subconsciously dissuades me from commenting anywhere that is likely to result in few/no upvotes. My first comment on a story might get 20, 40, 80 upvotes, but any extended discussion is…

I think "upvote" is good and help conversation, but i don´t like "downvote". I think that is unnecessary. Many times i saw comments heavily downvoted and valid to me. Vote what is good is sufficient for me.

I agree here. If a comment is not upvoted, it will stay where it is, and probably go down the list of comments. On the other hand Downvoting, although it has some valid uses (Essentially keeping this place from turning into an uninteresting Reddit), sometimes is used by high karma users as a tool for merely disagreeing, which defeats its purpose.

Re: Show HN: I got tired of stressing about my karma, so I wrote this.

#47
post #6

earlier work using greasemonkey (no idea if it still works) - http://www.acooke.org/cute/HidingHNKa0.html

I'd forgotten about [dead] comments. I'll add that in - thanks!

For something as straightforward as this, I think you shouldn't load jQuery and use native JS instead.

Re: Show HN: I got tired of stressing about my karma, so I wrote this.

#50

I noticed you're loading jQuery before testing the page's URL. You'd be better off testing the URL first to prevent unnecessarily loading jQuery.

I doubt it makes much difference once jQuery's loaded the first time, but I'll have a play around with it when I have a minute. There's some lag currently while it searches the page and replaces attributes, but it's fast enough for my needs.
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