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Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by droithomme »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #40

Since fullscreen and disappearing scroll bars both suck, and inertial scrolling appears to work fine for me, this article is moot.

Amen brother. Preach it.

A parallel article could be written on how Firefox is the best browser because careful attention has been paid not not ruining the user experience by implementing widely acknowledged design errors in Lion.

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by simonster »

avolcano wrote: post #2

I have to say, while Chrome has a few issues on OSX, I was really impressed with how quickly they added full screening, Lion-style scrollbars, elastic scrolling, and surprisingly polished two-finger swipe gestures. Hopefully Firefox will get up to speed soon.

Chrome's biggest issue on OS X is that it's ugly. Its UI looks like Chrome on Windows and Linux, but not like OS X. The tabs are the wrong shape, the wrong color, and use the wrong font size. The latter two complaints apply equally to the bookmarks bar. At least on my machine (Chrome 18.0.1025 on Mountain Lion), the URL bar is hideous. It's too high, and there is more padding underneath the text than above it, and the focus ring is wrong. While Safari's panels are neutral gray with translucency, Chrome's panels are opaque and stark white. I have tried to use it, but it makes my eyes hurt.

While Mozilla may be slow to implement Apple's new UI features, at least they can paint the UI widgets properly.

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by srbravo1 »

nknight wrote: post #19
MrJagil wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Friend, using terms like "braindamaged" is really not that constructive. I've seen an uptake in these kinds of posts lately on HN, and I wish you would all tone it down. Just be polite, rational, constructive and helpful. Only lazy people turn to these spiteful remarks.

Telling the hacker community not to use the term "braindamaged" is one of the most braindamaged things I can think of.

It is sad that a large percentage of people who seek common interests can be so dark to each other. Why does disrespect and self pride seem, at least in the nerd culture today, to be tolerated by so many? I have been in environments where it was cool to be a bully but where the stereotypical computer scientist are known to have been bullied at some point in his/her own life, I am surprised to find such negativity here. I know I shoot myself in the foot when I decide to read the comments from the feeds but maybe I am just looking for a bit of chat and thoughts from fellow people who share my eagerness. I look for guidance and influence from people like the regular viewers on HN.

You do not know it all. You started from somewhere. Your opinion is an opinion. If you are more fortunate in your experience or knowledge then the contributor above you, do good with it. These logical statements above should be a mantra before submitting a comment anywhere online. The web can not be dictated or controlled but a common culture and mass influence can make it a happier place within its communities.

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

#46

Post by jasonlotito »

tlrobinson wrote: post #43

An aside: Lion's fullscreen support is awful. I have my TV hooked up to my computer and can't fullscreen anything that uses Lion's fullscreen API. http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/17941/how-do-i-run-...

Lion's fullscreen support is a security hazard as well. Leave something full screen, close your laptop, and come back to it hours later, and you can open up your laptop without it asking for a password.

Pretty sure that's not intended.

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

#47

Post by nicalsilva »

For what it's worth, the rubber band thing having a patent on it, I am not sure shipping it in Firefox is only about implementing it. I do know sometimes patches wait in bugzilla for legal approval, and I do know implementing native-like features often involve much more work than most people think. It makes me a bit sad to see that people judge the entire browsing experience in term of how native it feels rather than how well standards are implemented and what actual features are provided (not the look of a scrollbar, which is a matter of taste and generates debates that don't interest me much). There is some work in progress for more UI smoothness in firefox. Using xul instead of native UI has its pros and cons, but reducing the dependencies between UI code and the OS-specific APIS enables Firefox to be available to many platforms which is valuable in my opinion. It looks to me like people in general prefer to complain on blogs and comments rather than doing the same on bug trackers were it is actually useful and where one can get feedback from the guys that actually know about the stuff.

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

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Post by nknight »

srbravo1 wrote: post #44
nknight wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telling the hacker community not to use the term "braindamaged" is one of the most braindamaged things I can think of.

It is sad that a large percentage of people who seek common interests can be so dark to each other. Why does disrespect and self pride seem, at least in the nerd culture today, to be tolerated by so many? I have been in environments where it was cool to be a bully but where the stereotypical computer scientist are known to have been bullied at some point in his/her own life, I am surprised to find such negativity her…

You are making many faulty assumptions, attacking a culture you clearly do not understand in the least. To call something braindamaged in hacker culture is well understood as a personal value judgement with certain connotations. It has absolutely nothing to do with bullying, "darkness", or negativity.

If anything, it is you who is being a bully, barging in and telling us how we should behave without even grasping who we are and how we are behaving now.

Re: Firefox: Not A Good Citizen on OS X Lion

#49

Post by sigzero »

jasonlotito wrote: post #46
tlrobinson wrote: post #43

An aside: Lion's fullscreen support is awful. I have my TV hooked up to my computer and can't fullscreen anything that uses Lion's fullscreen API. http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/17941/how-do-i-run-...

Lion's fullscreen support is a security hazard as well. Leave something full screen, close your laptop, and come back to it hours later, and you can open up your laptop without it asking for a password. Pretty sure that's not intended.

Isn't that handled by a different setting? I don't have a laptop to test with.
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