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Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by mdasen »

ahoka wrote: post #24

Why can’t people in US prisons access the internet?

I think there are two issues here: why aren't they allowed and why shouldn't they be allowed.

Some prisoners certainly shouldn't be allowed to access the internet. If you're in organized crime, being able to access the internet would give you an effective way of continuing your control from behind prison walls. Many prisoners might use the internet to continue attacks on people, albeit virtual. Does this apply to all prisoners? No. Should it apply to Hans Reiser? Maybe, I don't know enough to comment on that, his relationship with his kids, etc.

The US prison system is also often punitive beyond necessary which answers why they aren't allowed internet access in most circumstances. I think if you ask most Americans about prison, they'll say that people are raped and beaten in prison. Many Americans even seem to think those are appropriate accessory punishments to imprisonment. The news reported that Reiser was beaten in prison: https://web.archive.org/web/20090609172728/http://www.kcbs.c....

Should some prisoners be allowed more internet access? I'll leave that for others as my lunch is over.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by eql5 »

revel wrote: post #94

The contents of the letter are interesting in their own right, but there are 2 aspects that strike me as particularly interesting. First off, he doesn't seem to regret killing his wife, more the consequences of his crime. He doesn't mention her by name or say that she didn't deserve it. Secondly, the person he's corresponding with, Fredrick Brennan is fascinating in his own right. He's one of the 3 central characters…

> the ridiculous QAnon

QAnon is a creation of MSM, and doesn't even exist, hence it's really ridiculous.

The real thing is called the Q intel drops (many times just questions), inviting followers to do research on their own, which is never ridiculous.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by dilyevsky »

vimax wrote: post #142
atemerev wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Rehabilitation” means that a person is suffering from some condition, and they are not personally at fault for their crimes. While there is some partial truth in this point of view, taking it at 100% face value is unfair, to say the least. People can be actually guilty of something.

Okay, if someone cannot be "rehabilitated" where is the value to society or to that person in punishing them to make them suffer more on top of separating them from the public?

The value is delivering justice and deterring would be criminals

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by jacquesm »

hnbad wrote: post #156
skjoldr wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Psychopaths are still people even if their brains are broken. It is indeed hard to integrate them into society, especially if their family did a bad job of it in their childhood.

In a better country he'd be in therapy rather than in prison. Alas the US legal system only exists to detain people, not to allow them to become unbroken. I wholly believe psychopaths can be redeemed and live a fulfilling life without hurting anyone if given the proper support and guidance. I don't for a second believe the US legal system is equipped to do that, especially the prison system.

He'd be in prison and receiving therapy.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by Arch-TK »

iaw wrote: post #5
mariusor wrote: post #2

I don't know if ending another human's life leaves any possibility of redemption for a person, but reading this I still empathize with the sense of loss and powerlessness that emanate from this letter.

I suspect many are aware of this but for those uninformed: Reiser committed premeditated murder of his (ex?)wife Nina around 2006 and hid her body so well they could not find her. He made his children think either that their mother abandoned them. He had thought without a body he could not be charged and convicted. I believe he waited until it was apparent he would lose the trial and then plead down so that they coul…

Source on premeditated?

Everything I saw made it look like it was spontaneous (and then he put a lot of work and some poor planning into trying to hide it).

I could obviously be wrong, I didn't really spend that much time on it.

(Note: I know he was initially found guilty of first degree murder but it appears that first degree murder doesn't necessarily require premeditation.)

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by andai »

masklinn wrote: post #44
hollerith wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since the prosecutor's office offered him a sentence of 3 years if he'd lead investigators to where he buried the body, the burden is on you IMHO to support your assertion because obviously if the informed professionals in the prosecutor's office thought it was a pre-planned murder they wouldn't've been that lenient. (In the US, pre-planned murders are routinely punished by life in prison without parole; California m…

What sentence of 3 years are you talking about? The judge offered (and prosecutors agreed to) a plea guilty of second-degree murder (down from the first degree murder he was convicted of) if he revealed the location of the body and gave closure to her Nina’s children and family. He got 15 to life, the maximum for second-degree murder, and his first request for parole was rejected so he’s doing at least 20 for now.

Remarkable. Would it really have been 3 years if he'd accepted? That seems far too low.

On the other hand, the first degree homicide seems absurd given the evidence. Did they just give him that because he refused to cooperate, and not because it was actually an accurate verdict?

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by 0x457 »

hinkley wrote: post #3

I thought the usual solution when we disagree irreconcilably with a maintainer was to fork and rename? I always thought it a bit weird that we were naming parts of Linux after people. We already did that once and that kinda uses up your freebie. Seems like everyone quit Hans and nobody rallied the project back together.

There is just no need for such FS today. Everything is bloated, random access is much faster (SSDs, NVMe), storage is cheaper.

It's the only FS that I lost data with.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by wetmore »

jonathankoren wrote: post #42
dale_glass wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was far less of a mastermind than he fancied himself at the time. If I recall, he bought a book on murder investigations and a socket set after his wife's disappearance (which was easily tracked back to him), removed car seats (blood) from his car, and willingly testified in court that it was his manly dream to sleep in the car, or something along these lines. He could have likely gotten away with it if he kept hi…

I will always remember the Slashdot comment that said that removing the passenger seat of your car so you could sleep in your car was a reasonable thing to do, and everyone saying it was suspicious was a hater. (Bro. A car floor isn’t even flat.) I think it was my first experience with absolute egregious fanboism.

It is reasonable, although niche enough to be a bad defense.

Here is a popular Instagram account where someone does exactly what you are saying is unreasonable: https://www.instagram.com/salvagetoscenic

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by jacquesm »

kstrauser wrote: post #180
BucketsMcG wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe he wants to learn, or maybe he's a psychopath trying to upgrade his human emulation software so he can get out sooner. Even experts find it hard to tell.

Philosophical question: if "fake it 'til you make it" allowed someone to emulate a human (I like your phrasing here) well enough that they, indeed, act like a human... isn't that good enough? The biblical advice to "judge not, that ye be not judged" seems relevant here. It's pretty obvious to me that it refers to a person's heart , that is, their internal desires and motivations that no one but them can truly know. I…

It would if you would be sure that they'd never break out of character. But that's a tricky question: if someone who has already murdered someone in cold blood with substantial premeditation presents a changed exterior do you perceive the chances of them doing that as premeditation as well as larger than the chances that they've really changed? I'm happy I'm not on that parole board, and I hope they have budget for a good psychological evaluation.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by starfallg »

pdntspa wrote: post #114
robertlagrant wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That sentence is a guiding principle of software design that I cannot often quote, without entering into a huge discussion on the pain Reiser has caused That's a shame. He did something awful, but that's nothing at all to do with the idea in the quotation. Ideas shouldn't be cursed because the wrong person said them; they should stand or fall on their own merits.

Certainly, I have an issue with this idea that everything a person does gets cancelled because the person gets cancelled. Particularly in this era of intense political polarization.... It is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The world is full of examples of art and science from troubled individuals; much of our foundational understanding of certain areas of science is derived from the learned experiences of i…

ReiserFS and BTRFS are the only 2 Linux filesystems that truly ate my data. Everything else I was able to substantially recover from.
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