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Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Drunk driving is a stupid thing people do. Murder is an act of evil.

Only if you believe in evil. I'm not christian so I don't see the world like that. He killed his s/o, like what 15 years ago now? People change and deserves a second chance.

Has Hans Reiser changed and does he deserve a second chance?

His first parole board certainly didn’t think so and decided to keep him in for 5 more years.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Apparently he's been in prison for murdering his wife since 2008

Oh I remember when that whole thing went down. It caused quite the buzz on Slashdot. ...but now I'm struggling to remember how many times I've logged into Slashdot in the past 10 years...

about as often has Reiser has...

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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I thought the usual solution when we disagree irreconcilably with a maintainer was to fork and rename? I always thought it a bit weird that we were naming parts of Linux after people. We already did that once and that kinda uses up your freebie. Seems like everyone quit Hans and nobody rallied the project back together.

> I thought the usual solution when we disagree irreconcilably with a maintainer was to fork and rename?

Yes. But that requires someone, or a group, to take responsibility for that and support the fork. Maintaining a filesystem can be a complex undertaking.

> Seems like everyone quit Hans and nobody rallied the project back together.

I think it was more like he was the core of the project with others contributing. Once he was out of the picture no one else had sufficient passion and/or time for it to take on the mantle of project lead sufficiently (to push Reiser4 onward and eventually getting it merged into the mainline Kernel and maintaining Reiser3 in the meantime & further forward).

While Reiser4 is still maintained, it has never been merged into the mainline kernel limiting its support in common Linux distributions. I don't know if that is because the current maintainers have tried to have it merged and failed for some reason, or if they have not pushed of its inclusion at all.

What is deprecated and due to be removed is Reiser3, which is not actively maintained. There are some technical issues that would need addressing soon if it were to remain, and in any case an unmaintained filesystem is a dangerous thing to rely upon if you can avoid doing so. It isn't being removed because of who started it, it is being removed because it is not well enough supported for mainstream safety.

Reiser3 won't be removed until some time in 2025, and unless you need the latest latest kernel at all times an active setup will keep working for a while after that (until the older kernel it uses falls into EOL), so you have plenty of time to migrate if you need to.

If a lot of people were relying on Reiser3 there would be a lot more noise about this. People using Reiser4 are building their own modules (or patching a kernel tree and building it in) already and this will not affect them.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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I don't know if ending another human's life leaves any possibility of redemption for a person, but reading this I still empathize with the sense of loss and powerlessness that emanate from this letter.

Speaking in general terms, not to the specifics of Hans Reiser's crimes - I dont see why it wouldn't allow for redemption, people do stupid things and get blinded easily.

> do stupid things

Yes, we've all done stupid things we regret. But this is not it. This is way to bad to fit in the "stupid things" category.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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That was fascinating. It sounds like he’s done some real introspection during his lockup, and I hope he’s able to apply those learnings to future situations.

I felt bad for him[0] while reading. He was a brilliant young person with a big dream, yet without the interpersonal skills to help him realize it. I’ve seen that so often. Maybe this will help me look past the next person’s challenging communications, and think here’s someone who means well but doesn’t know how to explain it. Reiser wants to learn how not to be an ass. I can try to learn how to recognize when someone being an ass is caught in the same traps he was. That, and how to be sure I’m not the one being the ass.

Best of luck on the continuing personal growth, Hans.

[0]Minus the obvious, of course.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Why can’t people in US prisons access the internet?

Because not being able to freely communicate with the larger society is part of the punishment? I dunno, always seemed like an obvious thing.

Why should prisons be about punishment rather than rehabilitation?

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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I think about Hans Reiser pretty often, incidentally, because there is a quote from him I read as a teenager that stuck with me. "The utility of an operating system is proportional to the number of connections possible between its components, than it is to the number of those components." — Hans Reiser (from http://web.archive.org/web/20040126210110/http://unununium.o... ) It's hard to reconcile good things a person…

Your observations are right but your conclusions are shoddy . We can and should separate ideas from the person . There are plenty of truly evil people though . No indictment of Hans I don’t know his case . But of truly evil people there are countless numbers

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Only if you believe in evil. I'm not christian so I don't see the world like that. He killed his s/o, like what 15 years ago now? People change and deserves a second chance.

Evil is not a religious concept.

Dude. Good & evil is such a central concept in Christianity it is practically ingrained in your society if you live in a christian country even if you are secular.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drunk driving is a stupid thing people do. Murder is an act of evil.

Only if you believe in evil. I'm not christian so I don't see the world like that. He killed his s/o, like what 15 years ago now? People change and deserves a second chance.

Religion-free definition of evil: inclined to increase someone else's suffering without regard (that is, without caring enough to try to reduce that increase).
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