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Re: A new kind of climate denial has taken over on YouTube

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Post by slibhb »

tootie wrote: post #37
slibhb wrote: post #28

> There’s overwhelming evidence that greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuels are causing climate change, that those emissions are supercharging deadly weather disasters, and that transitioning to clean energy is the only way to tackle the problem at scale. I would like to see evidence that climate change is "supercharging deadly weather disasters". I don't believe that evidence exists. Whether climate change has c…

You can read the IPCC executive summary: https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/chapter/summary-for-polic... It calls it "likely" that climate change is inducing more cyclones and heavy precipitation but also "virtually certain" that it is causing a increase in frequency and intensity of heat waves. The specific editorial verbiage in The Verge is a bit reductive, but I'd say it's entirely fair.

Not quite. The report says it's "virtually certain" that heat waves have increased but only "highly likely" that this increase is caused by climate change.

That aside, I don't believe we have the data or the statistical methods to make the claim that the article does. I would say that the link between climate change and weather events is "frightening plausible" and leave it at that.

Re: A new kind of climate denial has taken over on YouTube

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Post by late2part »

blitz_skull wrote: post #11
vdaea wrote: post #7

Remember when telling people that covid escaped from a laboratory was considered Extremely Dangerous to Our Democracy and should be censored? And then youtube deleted every single video that posted that theory. I remember.

Yeah that’s my biggest issue here. Whatever FAANG wants to decide is the “truth du jour” is set as an unassailable position. To even discuss (and I’m sure there’s both reasonable and unreasonable views here) in a manner that violates the Sacred Truth (du jour) is labeled as dangerous. It’s so wild to me that we’re here as a society.

"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph in the world is that good men do nothing"

Re: A new kind of climate denial has taken over on YouTube

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Post by late2part »

slibhb wrote: post #28

> There’s overwhelming evidence that greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuels are causing climate change, that those emissions are supercharging deadly weather disasters, and that transitioning to clean energy is the only way to tackle the problem at scale. I would like to see evidence that climate change is "supercharging deadly weather disasters". I don't believe that evidence exists. Whether climate change has c…

but the science is settled, didn't you see the letter by signed by actual real scientists? (/s)

Re: A new kind of climate denial has taken over on YouTube

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Post by WithinReason »

asoneth wrote: post #14

Observationally, self-serving denial seems to go through steps: 1. It's not happening. 2. Ok, it is happening, but it's not our fault. 3. Ok, it is our fault, but it's too hard to be worth addressing right now. 4. Ok, it would have been worth addressing at the time, but it's too late so we should learn to live with it. These apply generally across the political spectrum, but specifically with respect to climate chang…

Well summarized in Yes Minister:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak

Re: A new kind of climate denial has taken over on YouTube

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Post by 6R1M0R4CL3 »

i will not talk of the subject as i dont know enough of it.

but in science, there are no authorities. and there is no consensus.

the only thing that matters is truth. numbers, facts, and logical demonstrations. stuff we can read, analyse, reproduce to end up with the same (or not) conclusions.

i am very very annoyed by articles that say "on subject X, we have way too many people not saying Y"

this is totally unaceptable in science.

do i have to remember you that the scientific authorities of their times told us that no human would ever go faster than a horse ? that people taking trains would suffocate ?

that others told the Wright brothers that nothing heavier than air would ever fly ?

that everything there was to discover through science had already been found and there was nothing more to find ?

we don't even know where the covid emanated. we have people that think it's natural, and papers that explain how the protein spike has been inserted because it never has been seen nor did it happen nor could it happen in nature ? i don't know myself what to think of that.

some people will never believe truth, even if we put it in front of them.

we should not spend or lose time with them.

focus on making good science. do not recognize any authority especially if they say "this is true because i am an authority in my field". einstein warned us deerly about those kind of authorities.

good science will use facts and provable facts to advance our knowledge and seek truth. let's focus on that.

in the end, it does not matter how much videos or papers with false content are on internet, or youtube. in the very end, the truth wins and all those false claims, those false articles, those false videos, will end up in the bin of history.

let's focus on making good science and finding truth. and not spend a single minute trying to fight, if false, that climate denial on youtube. because it's a Don Quixote fight.

Re: A new kind of climate denial has taken over on YouTube

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Post by beej71 »

vdaea wrote: post #7

Remember when telling people that covid escaped from a laboratory was considered Extremely Dangerous to Our Democracy and should be censored? And then youtube deleted every single video that posted that theory. I remember.

I never saw the upside of so haphazardly pushing the lab-escape narrative. Even if it's true, this approach basically ensures we're not going to get the evidence, and simultaneously exposes the US, Asian Americans, and YouTube to risk and liability.

Can someone explain the upside to me?

Re: A new kind of climate denial has taken over on YouTube

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Post by KevinMS »

> It largely centers around deceptive messages that “climate solutions won’t work,” that the science backing those solutions is unreliable

Like the latest Michael Moore documentary? The well known shill of Big Oil? Is that the kind of thing we should start censoring?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE

Re: A new kind of climate denial has taken over on YouTube

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Post by asoneth »

WithinReason wrote: post #44
asoneth wrote: post #14

Observationally, self-serving denial seems to go through steps: 1. It's not happening. 2. Ok, it is happening, but it's not our fault. 3. Ok, it is our fault, but it's too hard to be worth addressing right now. 4. Ok, it would have been worth addressing at the time, but it's too late so we should learn to live with it. These apply generally across the political spectrum, but specifically with respect to climate chang…

Well summarized in Yes Minister: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak

I knew I recalled it from somewhere, thank you!

Re: A new kind of climate denial has taken over on YouTube

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Post by tourmalinetaco »

me_me_me wrote: post #18
asoneth wrote: post #14

Observationally, self-serving denial seems to go through steps: 1. It's not happening. 2. Ok, it is happening, but it's not our fault. 3. Ok, it is our fault, but it's too hard to be worth addressing right now. 4. Ok, it would have been worth addressing at the time, but it's too late so we should learn to live with it. These apply generally across the political spectrum, but specifically with respect to climate chang…

there is no accepting it state, people believe in flat earth. There is nothing you can do for them. No fact or reasoning will ever convince them and it only entrenches their convictions. They want to feel special for figuring out 'the thing' and the reality of it not being 'the thing' means they are idiots and back to being idiots. A largely unacceptable proposition (there are people who do get out).

This goes the other way as well. While even the most basic rules of critical thought denies a flat Earth, no amount of critical thought or science can prove objectively what’s going on with the Earth. Anyone who says otherwise is massively oversimplifying and misunderstanding what science actually is. There is very little that is concrete in science (known as “laws”), everything else is our best guess and can change as time goes on. And especially when corporate interests are at play, it muddies the entire conversation.

Re: A new kind of climate denial has taken over on YouTube

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Post by deanmen »

6R1M0R4CL3 wrote: post #45

i will not talk of the subject as i dont know enough of it. but in science, there are no authorities. and there is no consensus. the only thing that matters is truth. numbers, facts, and logical demonstrations. stuff we can read, analyse, reproduce to end up with the same (or not) conclusions. i am very very annoyed by articles that say "on subject X, we have way too many people not saying Y" this is totally unacepta…

What are birds then?
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