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Re: A new kind of climate denial has taken over on YouTube

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Post by cagenut »

asoneth wrote: post #14

Observationally, self-serving denial seems to go through steps: 1. It's not happening. 2. Ok, it is happening, but it's not our fault. 3. Ok, it is our fault, but it's too hard to be worth addressing right now. 4. Ok, it would have been worth addressing at the time, but it's too late so we should learn to live with it. These apply generally across the political spectrum, but specifically with respect to climate chang…

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Re: A new kind of climate denial has taken over on YouTube

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Post by trabant00 »

I don't think it's hate speech or climate change denial to say things like:

- developed countries have gone through a period when they developed massively with basically zero care for the environment. Now they demand that countries that are currently under development can do so only with the current standards for environment protection and thus at a much higher cost.

- a lot of policies put the responsibility of climate protection on the back of poor average Joe. Not only you must take the bus and I drive home in my >100k electric car but I want you to pay 10% of said car.

Now I understand that the situation is critical and we can not afford to still do what we did in the past. Drastic measures are required. But how about we have the rich bare the costs for once?

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Post by asynchronous »

vdaea wrote: post #7

Remember when telling people that covid escaped from a laboratory was considered Extremely Dangerous to Our Democracy and should be censored? And then youtube deleted every single video that posted that theory. I remember.

We won’t forget despite them wishing we would. Fact is the scientific community lost a lot of trust in the last few years they had worked hard to earn.

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Post by unethical_ban »

vdaea wrote: post #7

Remember when telling people that covid escaped from a laboratory was considered Extremely Dangerous to Our Democracy and should be censored? And then youtube deleted every single video that posted that theory. I remember.

I didn't know it was taken off YouTube.

And a personal level, I never said the lab leak theory was impossible. I simply figured it was a racist dog whistle because Fox News was the one parroting it. Furthermore, focusing on the "suspicious origin" of the "wuhan flu" while broadly ignoring public health advice diminished the credibility of those talking about it.

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Post by melkor73 »

me_me_me wrote: post #17
vdaea wrote: post #7

Remember when telling people that covid escaped from a laboratory was considered Extremely Dangerous to Our Democracy and should be censored? And then youtube deleted every single video that posted that theory. I remember.

the original idea behind it was to not enrage china, as they wanted them to cooperate on fighting it and share info on the covid. All partial-evidences and clues point to lab leak, including post covid coincidences that look like cover-up attempts. But no definitive proof exists and china will never admit it. so whats the point?

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/28/1160162...

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Post by slibhb »

> There’s overwhelming evidence that greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuels are causing climate change, that those emissions are supercharging deadly weather disasters, and that transitioning to clean energy is the only way to tackle the problem at scale.

I would like to see evidence that climate change is "supercharging deadly weather disasters". I don't believe that evidence exists. Whether climate change has caused (or increased the severity of) "extreme weather events" is a question that has no simple answer.

Also, it absolutely is a concern that developing countries will suffer as fossil fuels become more expensive. It's also a concern that people will simply burn wood or dung if they can't get coal.

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Post by xoa »

dwb wrote: post #13

> “The idea that we can make the planet more habitable on an environmental, on the environmental front by impoverishing poor people, by raising energy prices and food prices, is absolutely, it’s not only absurd logically, but I think it’s tantamount to genocidal,” Peterson says in one YouTube video his channel posted in 2022. The problem here, as I see it, is that while I am completely with mainstream science on clim…

This only works as an argument if you count the change cost but ignore the default cost. Like, if changing the world to stop global warming costs $5 trillion of which much is borne by the poor that's hard. But if doing nothing means $40 trillion in cost and even more lands on the poor, well now what? It's easy to criticize doing anything at all, but the most likely outcome of making perfect the enemy of good is that no coordinated action happens at all and everyone just acts for themselves. And that's ignoring a lot of ways the developing world have acted to make themselves far worse off, yet then constantly have cried wolf about blaming others. Fatigue even amongst those who cares matters, as does relative advantage and leverage.

Re: A new kind of climate denial has taken over on YouTube

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Post by tootie »

vdaea wrote: post #7

Remember when telling people that covid escaped from a laboratory was considered Extremely Dangerous to Our Democracy and should be censored? And then youtube deleted every single video that posted that theory. I remember.

That never happened. Telling people covid escaped from a lab was never a threat to democracy, it was just considered to be baseless speculation. It was also frequently paired with accusation that it was deliberately released or engineered. As of today, we still have no proof it was a lab leak.
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