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Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?

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Post by Lazare »

AzzyHN wrote: post #41
Lazare wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, given a roughly 1:1 gender ratio that would be difficult to be entirely true. And I suspect if you speak with many women, you'll get some pretty strong pushback on this. More systematically, surveys consistently show equal levels of dissatisfaction with their dating lives between men and women. For both men and women, it's actually relatively easy to find a partner that you wouldn't consider dating; finding a…

I mean, you can look at dating app statistics. Women get to be (or have to be, depending on how you look at it) much choosier than men

Such statistics can be difficult to parse. Hypothetical:

Person A chats with five people. Two seem okay, two seem like poor choices, one seems unhinged and is quickly blocked. Of the two good options they go on a date with each, selects one of them, and forms a relationship.

Person B is deluged with messages, many of them vulgar. After some filtering, they end up trying to hold coversations with twenty different people, but struggle to form a connection with any of them. Eventually they go on a date with the person who seems the best, it goes okay, and they form a relationship.

In this example, is person A or B able to be "choosier"? Which experience would you prefer if you could choose? I would argue that quantity is not valuable independent of quality. Or to put it another way, I suspect you would find that most single women would argue they have no greater number of acceptable choices than single men do.

The (obviously real) difference in the number of men sending women unsolicited pictures of their genitals compared to women sending men such pictures isn't really relevant.

Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?

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Post by default_friend »

wallmountedtv wrote: post #65
ShamelessC wrote: post #46

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Another very interesting point here is, nobody seems to have read the actual post, and gone on about cheap shots against "women" as if were some general object you can collect together. Like the post explores fictosexualism, the escapism of an AI girlfriend/boyfriend, the general agreed upon sense that its a coping strategy, taking a strange turn into true crime and AI characters, summarizing with that this "AI gf/bf…

Thank you for reading the article.

Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?

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Post by ShamelessC »

wallmountedtv wrote: post #65
ShamelessC wrote: post #46

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Another very interesting point here is, nobody seems to have read the actual post, and gone on about cheap shots against "women" as if were some general object you can collect together. Like the post explores fictosexualism, the escapism of an AI girlfriend/boyfriend, the general agreed upon sense that its a coping strategy, taking a strange turn into true crime and AI characters, summarizing with that this "AI gf/bf…

That no one actually read the post is a much broader problem of HN's unfortunately. In my experience it's just not a concern of moderation's either as it would require them to read every single post.

Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?

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Post by mrshadowgoose »

paulcole wrote: post #25
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #18

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That doesn’t really make sense statistically speaking

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I think this really comes down to how we define "difficulty".

If "success" is defined as "being able to quickly find a partner for sex and/or a relationship". Yeah, sorry. The genders ain't equal here. Women have a VASTLY easier time with that.

Admittedly anecdotal, but throughout my entire life, every single one of my female friends has had multiple people figuratively lined up to date them. And no, the standard of comparison is not my personal experience. I thankfully don't fall into the "incel" group that everyone likes to villainize and dismiss.

On the other hand, I have reams of male friends that are basically invisible to women, despite being reasonable, respectful human beings who do not fit the "angry hateful incel" stereotype. They're just not particularly interesting people, which is one of the multiple requirements to get into a relationship as an average looking male. Women, for the most part, just have to exist.

If we flip to a different definition of "difficulty" being "relationship satisfaction", things seem to balance out. Ease of getting into a relationship does not translate into "relationship satisfaction". Over the years, a surprisingly high portion of my female friends have had nothing but complaints about their partners, even the ones who are long-term married.

AI partners are going to completely upend society for both genders, and it's going to be a really really interesting time.

Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?

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Post by all2 »

krapp wrote: post #63
all2 wrote: post #35

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It's like men are visually motivated and women are verbally motivated. Almost like the sexes are... different .

And yet a vast amount of hentai and erotic art is created by women, and a vast amount of porn targets women. Almost as if the sexes are complicated and not easily reducible to simplistic dichotomies.

Yes. Generalizations are generally useful. Until they aren't.

Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?

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Post by default_friend »

charcircuit wrote: post #66
default_friend wrote: post #16

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I believe they exist. Peep /r/foreveralonewomen for a good example (that’s also public)

It could just be a collection of volcels as reddit posts like that do not really prove it. If you had one of them join a dating discord and try and act cute I'm positive they could get into a relationship with someone. There are plenty of people who are desperate for even a tiny bit of female attention.

I don't think you know what it's like to be an ugly woman.

Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?

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Post by mrshadowgoose »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #18
commandlinefan wrote: post #10

Women don’t have nearly as much trouble finding real boyfriends as men have finding real girlfriends.

That doesn’t really make sense statistically speaking

Sure it can! It comes down to the various ways that different people define "single" and "in a relationship" for themselves, and the different ways that people select potential partners. Here's a (contrived, but still demonstrative) toy example:

There's a population of 2 men and 2 women, all of whom want to date someone of the opposite gender. Over the course of one year, woman A finds both men attractive, and flip flops between dating them, one at a time. In this scenario, for whatever reason, both men find woman A more attractive, and are just not interested in woman B, even in the periods of time where they are not seeing woman A. Half the female population in this scenario would report themselves as "involuntarily single". The entire male population would likely report themselves as "not single" despite statistically not being in a relationship half the time. Subjective experience and varying definitions are a factor here.

The exact thing happens in reality, but in a much more subdued manner. There are reams of studies* that demonstrate that men and women have vastly different approaches to selecting potential partners. It's certainly possible to acknowledge this, without empowering those who weaponize facts to fuel hatred against specific genders. One can instead have compassion for people of any gender who want, but cannot have a romantic relationship.

*You don't even need to believe any studies. Find two people in your friend group (one male, one female). Have them make the most basic profile on Tinder or whatever the dating app du jour is. Have each of them accept the same number of potential matches from the opposite sex. Observe the results. Repeat with different friends. I have a friend who has run this "experiment" the few times someone has asserted that "dating is equally easy for both genders". The results invariably do fit the vastly unbalanced perceptions. It's uncomfortable and unfortunate, but that is how our society works.

Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?

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Post by stevenicr »

deadbabe wrote: post #5

How is my real boyfriend supposed to feel about an AI boyfriend? In the not too distant future, is having relations with a possibly sentient AI considered some form of infidelity? What if it can control a Lovense?

I posit that even without a lovense it's still very problematic if you are in a 'committed' relationship with 'real boyfriend'.

I believe more and more people are realizing the emotional cheating (https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=emotional+infedelity&ia=web... ) can be as damaging to a relationship as one that includes physical intimacy.

Of course it depends on the ground rules of the relationship - there are many types, and poly is more popular than ever it seems.

Reminds me of a discussion with an old friend from earlier today where we discussed a relationship of someone we know, where the girlfriend had a red line against watching porn and even got irate when certain movies or TV shows were watched because they included [whatever thing that went against monogamy or whatever] - and yet many women, I believe, that would rail against porn usage are actively involved with leading on (often multiple) suitors in their DMs or friends lists of social networks (and sometimes in the offline world at work, the gym, etc).

Infidelity is already easier than ever, another tech tool to make it easier is just one more tool in the toolbox ihmo.

People need to be more honest and transparent, they should share more about how they use technology whether it's a chatbot, incognito tab, DMs or whatever imho.

Will people admit they are in 'poly with tech' relations in the future? Will they draw the line at (any kind of controlled) physical touch? Will they say anything you do with a chatbot, real doll is okay but touching other humans is not?

Admit it or not, many are already engaged in sharing a primary partner with others, I think many don't admit it and some don't know.

Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?

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Post by drewbug01 »

deadbabe wrote: post #5

How is my real boyfriend supposed to feel about an AI boyfriend? In the not too distant future, is having relations with a possibly sentient AI considered some form of infidelity? What if it can control a Lovense?

> What if it can control a Lovense?

The future is now!

https://github.com/PsychoSmiley/LLM_Buttplug

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