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Ask HN: What's the best car without undesirable features?

#1
I've been increasingly dismayed by the direction automakers have been going with vehicle design. They keep packing anti-features into their lineups that are hard to avoid. Do you know of any modern cars that don't have the following features?

1. Internet connectivity. If the car is connected, it's tracking me.

2. Remote anti-theft. If someone else can disable my car, I don't own it.

3. Subscription features. I want to own my car.

4. Touchscreens. They are a safety hazard.

There are some features I do want as well:

A: All wheel or 4wd. It snows where I live.

B: >= 30mpg or 250mi range if EV.

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#3
Well I an tell you right now you don't need 4wd, it snows like a MF where I live and if you have FWD with proper snow tires (which you should regardless), you will drive circles around 4WD/AWD cars with just all season tires on in winter.

Just buy a mid-2010's honda civic or a toyota camry.

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Well I an tell you right now you don't need 4wd, it snows like a MF where I live and if you have FWD with proper snow tires (which you should regardless), you will drive circles around 4WD/AWD cars with just all season tires on in winter. Just buy a mid-2010's honda civic or a toyota camry.

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#7
Used car with front wheel drive, preferably traction control, put Blizzaks on all four wheels and you’ll do OK in snow unless you insist on driving on unplowed roads.

There are a wide range of cars I would consider. Say a Toyota Camry or a Honda Accord or a Nissan Altima. Lately I have been partial to Buicks. An old Nissan Leaf with a shot battery can still go 70 miles which makes it a great second or third car in a household.

Cars from the 1996 model year forward are basically modern because they support the OBD II diagnostic standard and also the database for parts was rationalized around then. My son has a 1996 Buick and there is no problem getting parts, we considered up to about 2010 when we were looking.

See the thread about his car here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39035535

Recent used cars are crazy expensive now so it not so daunting to expect some repairs on an older car, be creative looking for one that fits your needs.

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#8
You won't find a new one. If you want a car made newer than the last 10 years you would need to look at models sold into fleets which would limit you to basically work trucks/vans and base model ford and GM sedans and subcompacts.

Last time I was car shopping base trim ford fiesta's were under $10k and came with a manual transmission, no power windows, no power locks, no cruise control and a standard double DIN radio. Made less than five years ago.

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#9

4. Touchscreens - I'd say these are useful for running android auto or apple car play? - But this would fall into your tracking/internet criteria for Google at least.

All I need is Bluetooth and/or AUX. Head units get crufty and are hard or impossible to upgrade, unlike my phone on a magnetic mount.

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#10

Basically, just buy a car from 2008-2012 in good condition with low miles.

This tracks my experience.

My 2008 mini had an iPod adapter. The Bluetooth feature only supported BT calling. No GPS or touchscreens, plenty of knobs and physical switches.

My 2012 Ford had Sync 2 which added Bluetooth audio for music, but otherwise only had a three line LCD for status

The only modern feature I would really miss is adaptive cruise control, otherwise this is my sweet spot for auto tech

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