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AlphaGeometry: An Olympiad-level AI system for geometry

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Re: AlphaGeometry: An Olympiad-level AI system for geometry

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But then again, there's an error in the proof of IMO P3, in Fig1.f and Step 26. of the full proof in supplimentary material[1], which it states that ∠GMD = ∠GO2D, which is incorrect. It should be ∠GMD + ∠GO2D = π. I am trying to follow its logic but I cannot parse Step 25. Did it hallucinate this step? It has the right idea of O2 being on the nine point circle though. edit: I retract my statement. It looks like it is…

I haven’t checked the proof yet, but could it be possible that it’s using directed angles? Threw me off initially when I first learned it as well, but it can be handy for different configurations.

Looks like you are correct. I did not know about directed angles. Thanks.

Re: AlphaGeometry: An Olympiad-level AI system for geometry

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What happens to science when the most talented kids won't be able to compete in ~2 years tops? Would our civilization reach plateau or start downward trajectory as there will be no incentive to torture oneself to become the best in the world? Will it all fade away like chess once computers started beating grandmasters?

Unless you can figure out AI that is available everywhere, all the time (even in the most remote jungle with no power), there will always be value in making humans smarter

Re: AlphaGeometry: An Olympiad-level AI system for geometry

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>To train AlphaGeometry's language model, the researchers had to create their own training data to compensate for the scarcity of existing geometric data. They generated nearly half a billion random geometric diagrams and fed them to the symbolic engine. This engine analyzed each diagram and produced statements about their properties. These statements were organized into 100 million synthetic proofs to train the lang…

It's the topic of this fascinating paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2207.14502

Hey, thanks! I'll add it to my reading list

Re: AlphaGeometry: An Olympiad-level AI system for geometry

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Well, what's different is that humans invent new abstractions along the way such as complex numbers and Fourier transforms.

Not a lot of humans do

Every single human has abstractions that are unique to them. Your world model isn’t the same as mine.

It’s just that usually these abstractions are fuzzy and hard to formalize, so they aren’t shared. It doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.

Re: AlphaGeometry: An Olympiad-level AI system for geometry

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Google DeepMind keeps publishing these things while having missed the AI-for-the-people train, that I'm getting more and more the feeling that they have such a huge arsenal of AI-tech piling up in their secret rooms, as if they're already simulating entire AI-based societies. As if they're stuck in a loop of "let's improve this a bit more until it is even better", while AGI is already a solved problem for them. Or th…

They are optimizing for Nature papers, not general usability.

Not even one thing they did was without an associated Nature paper, and the paper was always first.

Re: AlphaGeometry: An Olympiad-level AI system for geometry

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Not a lot of humans do

When a human has done the same thing many times they tend to try to generalize and take shortcuts. And make tools. Perhaps I missed something but I haven't seen a neural net do that.

Is that very different than the distillation and amplification process that happens during training? Where the neural net learns to predict in one step what initially required several steps of iterated execution.

Re: AlphaGeometry: An Olympiad-level AI system for geometry

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> however that solution only works because we have a non AI system to prove correctness. I'm not sure why you are calling it non-AI. There's no reason why some AI system has to be some single neural network like GPT and not a hacked together conglomeration of a bunch of neural networks and symbolic logic systems. Like is it cheating to use a SAT solver? Is a SAT solver itself not artificial intelligence of a kind?

In modern terminology, AI = machine learning model. The hand coded GOFAI from the past is just called software.

No, you can't just declare a word redefined when it is still in common usage in its correct meaning, which includes both GOFAI and deep learning/neural network approaches. AI is effect defined, not architecture defined.

Re: AlphaGeometry: An Olympiad-level AI system for geometry

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Oh hey! I ghost-wrote an earlier article that references the same idea ( https://blog.google/technology/ai/bard-improved-reasoning-go... ). I wonder if they came to it independently or if they read mine and it planted some seeds? Either way, super cool work.

They have been working on these ideas since like 2021 they said, so I don't think it's that recent.
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