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Re: Cancer Alley

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You mean other than those parishes in Cancer Alley where there are white majorities and the primary source of household income are the chemical plants, you mean? Because I grew up in St. Charles Parish, which is 71% white, in the shadow of the Monsanto plant that makes the world's Roundup, down the road from a Dow plant, and across the river from Motiva, Shell, and Exxon refineries where you can see them light up the…

In addition many whites moved to Ascension Parish in spite of the pollution for the well paying jobs that required relatively little education.

Yup. The entire area is full of white folks with barely high school educations who are living a fantasy life by making great money through a lot of overtime at chemical refineries. Take away the refineries and you've got nothing left to sustain any of that economy. The entire metro New Orleans system would collapse within years outside of a few tourist traps and the ports.

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In the spirit of hacking, can this be moved to orbit? What would make the economics work out? What would be the environmental effects?

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> Louisiana Chemical Association President Greg Bowser responded to President Biden's remarks on the region, refuting claims that residents of the industrial corridor have a higher risk of developing cancer in multiple articles. I don't doubt his sincerity...but this illustrates how far people are willing to go to keep power. It is sad to think that a person would ignore evidence that their business kills people to p…

"I don't doubt his sincerity."

You should doubt it. This guy knows exactly what's going on but chooses to lie blatantly for profit. Same applies to oil execs, tobacco execs, fast food industry execs, US health insurance execs, chemical industry execs and many others. They know exactly that they are damaging the environment and/or killing millions of people but they prefer profit. And somehow we as a society let them get away with it.

Re: Cancer Alley

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I just saw this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT9mrbIxeBE and it sounded like an interesting topic to bring on HN. I didn't know about the "Cancer Alley" in Louisiana, but I figure most countries have their own alleys of death. I live in Italy and Taranto is notorious for this reason. The city was home to one of biggest steel producers in Europe. The local economy revolved around the steel plant, but people f…

I wonder about the historical trends in these types of zones. Presumably they didn't exist prior to the industrial revolution?

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Where would you say in LI is just as bad or comparable or at higher risk than average?

Nassau County, for sure. I know there's at least one town that is a known breast cancer hotspot. I was attending a gathering, about two years ago, that had a lot of folks (about 40), attending remotely. Mostly women; many immuno-compromised. I remember looking at the remote attendees screen, and counting the women that were currently getting, or had just gotten over, cancer treatment. I counted six. I also knew of a…

> I don't know what the average is supposed to be, but I think 6/60 (10%), is a wee bit high.

The going estimate is that Americans have a 40% chance of getting cancer in their lifetimes [1] so it really depends on the age distribution of the sample. For an older group, 10% might not be that high.

[1] https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/understanding/statistics

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post #45

I just saw this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT9mrbIxeBE and it sounded like an interesting topic to bring on HN. I didn't know about the "Cancer Alley" in Louisiana, but I figure most countries have their own alleys of death. I live in Italy and Taranto is notorious for this reason. The city was home to one of biggest steel producers in Europe. The local economy revolved around the steel plant, but people f…

I wonder about the historical trends in these types of zones. Presumably they didn't exist prior to the industrial revolution?

I would expect that mining, leather-producing and dye-producing areas may very well have seen similar types of toxic waste leading to negative health outcomes even before large scale industrialization. And the areas downstream.

Here's an example of a mine that has had toxic runoff likely for millenia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Tinto_(river) at least partly due to human mining activity. I would expect that people living downstream of the mine would have negative health outcomes, possibly without being aware.

Re: Cancer Alley

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post #43

In the spirit of hacking, can this be moved to orbit? What would make the economics work out? What would be the environmental effects?

Are you suggesting we send crude oil into space, refine it and then bring back?
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