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Is A.I. The Death of I.P.?

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Re: Is A.I. The Death of I.P.?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the answer “yes” or “no”? I suspect the actual answer is “those with wealth will continue to amass it and those without will struggle more”

A: No [1] 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge's_law_of_headlines

I'm writing an article titled "Is Betteridge's law true?"

Re: Is A.I. The Death of I.P.?

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No subscription and archive.is is broken on 1.1 but it seems like the conversation is finally moving in a good direction. I'm very very tentatively hopeful that we might see some reduction of IP rights in my lifetime. It's going to be a long hard fight but maybe, just maybe we will see people wake the fuck up and realize how important the building up the fucking commons is to the progress of all humanity.

It's rich to see people talk about the commons like AI models aren't a massive tragedy of the commons.

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No, it will result in a strengthening. It raises the value of things previous unprotectable, and thus will raise the incentive to get them protected. The Wild West of the AI world today will rapidly get captured because by the time you've amassed the resources to put up a credible AI, you're already a fairly large corporation. The scale of time necessary to get new protections passed is roughly comparable to the scal…

This is a really interesting take, but I don't completely buy it. Traditionally technologies like these become more accessible with time. Take the youtube example, this is actually a really good counterpoint as if you can create videos with an AI you created, nobody has any way of figuring out that you trained it on so-and-so's IP. It's completely black box which is the direction things are probably going to go IMO.

On the other hand, this is problematic because it'll slow down the development of the self-hostable models outside of the community moving to a darkweb like model where they stay beyond the reach of the legal system.

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For context, I.P. here = Intelectual Property and not Internet Protocol address. You can save a click today.

Is the answer “yes” or “no”? I suspect the actual answer is “those with wealth will continue to amass it and those without will struggle more”

the actual answer is "those who apply themselves will be fine and those who spend all their days wallowing in marxist fantasies will stay poor (both spiritually and monetarily)"

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It's been dead a while because of big tech. YouTube, Google, Facebook, Twitter - they have no way of effectively managing IP and so you basically see people's stolen content and they monetise it, so TBF Napster and torrents are another and earlier angle. Purely IMO, big tech normalised the taking of other people's content, and it's getting to the point where content creators (as in, ones that are capable of producing…

The pharmaceutical industry continues as a giant, blood sucking, vampire squid because of IP.

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It's been dead a while because of big tech. YouTube, Google, Facebook, Twitter - they have no way of effectively managing IP and so you basically see people's stolen content and they monetise it, so TBF Napster and torrents are another and earlier angle. Purely IMO, big tech normalised the taking of other people's content, and it's getting to the point where content creators (as in, ones that are capable of producing…

> big tech normalised the taking of other people's content This was normalized by large media companies long before big tech.

Do you have examples? Obviously it's hard to compare scales though.

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post #22

No subscription and archive.is is broken on 1.1 but it seems like the conversation is finally moving in a good direction. I'm very very tentatively hopeful that we might see some reduction of IP rights in my lifetime. It's going to be a long hard fight but maybe, just maybe we will see people wake the fuck up and realize how important the building up the fucking commons is to the progress of all humanity.

It's rich to see people talk about the commons like AI models aren't a massive tragedy of the commons.

Can you expand on that?

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It inherently has to damage our present conception of IP, unless we plan to cripple the AI revolution in the crib.

If you have smart robots in the home, much less AGI, what's the plan on restricting them? Sorry robot, you may only learn this limited set of skills, you're not allowed to create, because you've seen too much and might be too good at learning and producing.

They'll be incredibly metered if they're not allowed to learn and produce at a high capability.

And if we're talking about AGI, you can never realistically reach it if you put it in the straightjacket required to protect IP as things are today. Sorry all-knowing AGI god, you may not make images that look too much like XYZ. In fact, you're not allowed to even see any of it because of your capabilities. In fact, Disney has decided through the copyright act of 2042 that you're not even allowed access to the Internet (or magazines, or radio, or music, or TV).

It can't be AGI if it can't create. Forget about trained on ('just do not train it on material with copyright'), it'll self-train, and then what? Well then you can't even let it self-train, ie no AGI is possible.

It's going to be either or. Either the IP laws get changed, or you get no AGI. The only thing possible would be extremely boxed off, narrow, high capability AI.

Re: Is A.I. The Death of I.P.?

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Intellectual property isn't.

Yup. It accounts for some 41% of the US' GDP, and a minimum of 47 million jobs. It's also growing at a fairly fast rate.

That's too much money for anybody in charge to let die. They're much more likely to nuke AI.

Re: Is A.I. The Death of I.P.?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> big tech normalised the taking of other people's content This was normalized by large media companies long before big tech.

Do you have examples? Obviously it's hard to compare scales though.

Record labels spring immediately to mind.
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