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US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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Re: US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #817
andersa wrote: post #373

It's incredible that there are actually people in this thread arguing in favor of Apple. You don't need to defend the trillion dollar company. They are not your friend, they do not care about you, your work or your life. All they do is steal 30% from society that could be used for more productive purposes than make a few people who already have everything even richer.

I wouldnt defend 30% specifically but surely they should get some cut or share. What is the right number? 1%? 50%? I don't know. > All they do is steal 30% from society that could be used for more productive purposes than make a few people who already have everything even richer. Kind of an odd take. They take a cut because they provide a service. They are not stealing. I guess lump me in with the defending apple cro…

only in tech...

can you imagine if selling a replacement bulb for a ford headlight required you to pay 30% to ford.

only in tech can this be considered fair.

Re: US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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Post by wouldbecouldbe »

jim180 wrote: post #719
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #570

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It's actually annoying that the refunds and VAT are handled. For small international developers, under 500K per year spread out over several states & countries, often they don't have to pay VAT in most international places, so they lose an extra 20-22%. For instance most US states won't require you to pay VAT under 100K revenue if you are from another country. Same for refunds & subscription management, often clients…

The threshold is 10k€ in the EU. So, way less than 500k

Yeah EU is stricter, but for lot of my clients US is a large market, without they themselves being in the US. If you are EU based then it's cheaper to pay EU tax and not US tax.

Re: US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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Post by shuckles »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #820
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #317

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Even if you're side-loading, you're still using Apple IP. Every single framework and the OS itself up to the Mach OSS Kernel is Apple IP. It would be entirely unfeasible to run anything on an iPhone without some Apple IP. You'd be looking at an Asahi Linux for iPhone.

Who's paying for this IP, then? The consumer, who bought the device? Surely the cost of development of said IP is in total recouped from device sales? The device doesn't work without said framework. The developers who provide a reason to buy the device? Why should they be forced to use a monopolistic platform only because Apple's marketing has successfully clouded consumers' heads? Humans are terrible at actually boy…

My guess is users would only notice if a few dozen developers were gone, and the rest of them make apps that are only a little bit better than web apps if that.

Watch and Mac are more or less failed developer platforms (how many native 3rd party apps exist for them?) yet are also both huge businesses just with Apple apps.

Re: US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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Post by whoknowsidont »

squigglydonut wrote: post #773
kridsdale1 wrote: post #398

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I’m extremely familiar with the iOS native components (I even made some of them originally). I’d like to see your PWA to see if your claim is true.

Sure thing but you have to buy my product first! My approach was blending iOS and Android. For example I like the hamburger menu for user adoption (very Android) but I like SF symbols light forms and weight. So there is a blending of forms. Modals and context menus behave as you would expect. I didn't do any blurred backdrops. Lastly, a pwa in fullscreen mode removes the URL bar even through it runs with chrome!

Paste the link to your product?

Re: US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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Post by m_0x »

andersa wrote: post #373

It's incredible that there are actually people in this thread arguing in favor of Apple. You don't need to defend the trillion dollar company. They are not your friend, they do not care about you, your work or your life. All they do is steal 30% from society that could be used for more productive purposes than make a few people who already have everything even richer.

> All they do is steal 30% from society that could be used for more productive purposes than make a few people who already have everything even richer.

Steal? What you want the App store to be free and become the Android Play Store which is utter garbage and hostile against small and mid developers?

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Post by drdeca »

andersa wrote: post #373

It's incredible that there are actually people in this thread arguing in favor of Apple. You don't need to defend the trillion dollar company. They are not your friend, they do not care about you, your work or your life. All they do is steal 30% from society that could be used for more productive purposes than make a few people who already have everything even richer.

> You don't need to defend the trillion dollar company. They are not your friend, they do not care about you, your work or your life.

I don’t like what apple is doing here, and am not inclined to defend it.

However, I am inclined to complain about this type of rhetoric. If invalid criticism are being made, it is appropriate to correct those criticisms, even if the criticisms being made are criticisms of some vile person or organization.

Re: US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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Post by turquoisevar »

MBCook wrote: post #276
turquoisevar wrote: post #247

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Yeah, the amazement amongst people here on HN amazes me. The district court was crystal clear about this in their judgment, which at the time caused quite some consternation. The appellate court then affirmed the same and even clarified more clearly that it’s completely fine because it primarily is the mechanic Apple gets payment for the use of their IP and, secondly, their services that encompass more than just paym…

Now that the Supreme Court has put this issue to rest by refusing to weigh in, will the appellate court now take that until the district court to figure out those kind of details? Or will everything stand as it is at the moment with figuring out specific details that Apple must abide by that haven’t already been listed up to future lawsuits to determine?

The appellate court affirmed the judgment by the district court, albeit while making some comments here and there.

So as it stands, the appellate court’s decision is the law of the land.

Technically, from a legal perspective, there is a small chance this changes if a case makes it way to an appellate court in a different circuit and they’re in the mood to come to a different conclusion, at which time SCOTUS might be inclined to take up that case to resolve the contradictory outcomes, but those are pretty slim for a couple of reasons.

One, it’s not likely a new case would play out outside of California, by virtue of Apple being located there.

Two, a court of appeals of a different circuit would need to be in the mood to completely disregard the 9th circuits conclusion. While technically an option, most appellate courts don’t want to contradict their sister circuit, but there are some “activist” courts out there.

Three, the outcome needs to be sufficiently different for it to cause a significant contradiction.

And lastly, the fact pattern of the new case would need to be extremely similar to the Epic v Apple case.

Re: US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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Post by squigglydonut »

whoknowsidont wrote: post #824
squigglydonut wrote: post #773

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure thing but you have to buy my product first! My approach was blending iOS and Android. For example I like the hamburger menu for user adoption (very Android) but I like SF symbols light forms and weight. So there is a blending of forms. Modals and context menus behave as you would expect. I didn't do any blurred backdrops. Lastly, a pwa in fullscreen mode removes the URL bar even through it runs with chrome!

Paste the link to your product?

Sure it's www.petpages.app

Re: US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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Post by barbariangrunge »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #817
andersa wrote: post #373

It's incredible that there are actually people in this thread arguing in favor of Apple. You don't need to defend the trillion dollar company. They are not your friend, they do not care about you, your work or your life. All they do is steal 30% from society that could be used for more productive purposes than make a few people who already have everything even richer.

I wouldnt defend 30% specifically but surely they should get some cut or share. What is the right number? 1%? 50%? I don't know. > All they do is steal 30% from society that could be used for more productive purposes than make a few people who already have everything even richer. Kind of an odd take. They take a cut because they provide a service. They are not stealing. I guess lump me in with the defending apple cro…

Does windows deserve 30%? what about your isp? Or your motherboard manufacturer? What about nvidia? Should every single company providing you software or hardware take a cut, or only apple?

We should own our own computers

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Post by hnaccount_rng »

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #821
AlwaysRock wrote: post #817

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldnt defend 30% specifically but surely they should get some cut or share. What is the right number? 1%? 50%? I don't know. > All they do is steal 30% from society that could be used for more productive purposes than make a few people who already have everything even richer. Kind of an odd take. They take a cut because they provide a service. They are not stealing. I guess lump me in with the defending apple cro…

only in tech... can you imagine if selling a replacement bulb for a ford headlight required you to pay 30% to ford. only in tech can this be considered fair.

I’ve got very bad news for you.. what do you think happens when Ford solicits bids for headlamps? Sure “you” don’t pay something to Ford. But Ford absolutely gets its cut
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