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The failure of self-checkout technology

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Re: The failure of self-checkout technology

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It feels like almost all the issues with self-checkout technology come from the attempts to minimise shoplifting, which don't even seem that effective at doing that. In theory, a system that let you scan products the same way checkout staff do without any weight checks or bagging area rules or other interruptions would be incredibly efficient. Especially if you could do things like scan the same product multiple time…

The small Target downtown in the college town I live by, has only self-checkout . No human beings at all. Further, my contact in the Target data center says the scales are disable (too many problems) and the camera showing you on the little screen over the kiosk, doesn't go anywhere but that screen. So it's working for them, so far. You'd expect maybe more shoplifting in a college town, lots of poor students under st…

> You'd expect maybe more shoplifting in a college town, lots of poor students under strain and so on. Still the place is thriving.

Most data on the issue of shoplifting in the industry show that the people who shoplift are not ones doing it out of necessity (e.g. they're poor and can't afford those items), most shoplifting is done out of intention and not necessity. This includes categories like underaged people stealing items that are age-restricted, or people stealing items that cause shame to purchase (like condoms, pregnancy tests, et al), as well as the now commonplace problem of shoplifting gangs in the US who steal en masse to list items via Amazon Marketplace, eBay, Facebook Marketplace, and other online markets. People who are productive adults in society very very rarely shoplift, and in the cases that they do it because of mental issues, like kleptomania.

Re: The failure of self-checkout technology

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I wonder how much theft would be mitigated if you implemented a quasi-random “free item” feature - tune it so there’s a chance the last item you scanned rings up free. Tune it to be a 2-5% discount at most, similar to coupons. Make the customer feel they won something.

That sounds like how Star Market does things: everything is overpriced by a dollar compared to normal grocery stores (which unfortunately are a thirty minute drive from me), but they have rotating “sales” that are $1.00 off. I absolutely hate the store, because they aren’t fooling me, just overcharging me and then claiming I “saved” money. I think this is how all Alberstons-owned stores work, because I’ve seen it an…

The worst example of that I know of is Kohl's - everything there is insanely overpriced, but there is almost always a combination of sales, coupons, and sacrificial goats that gets you to normal or below normal pricing.

JC Penny famously tried to get out of that and it almost killed them: https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2017/02/24/a...

Walmart (and Costco, and Trader Joe's, and a few others) are so large that instead of making you dance around with coupons and such, they just tell the company to give them a discount and pass it on to the customer. An item at another store that needs a store app, coupon, etc, will just be dropped the same price at Walmart I've noticed.

(I hate the Kohl's style, as even when I stack coupons and get to 75% off on clearance, I still feel I missed something and got cheated. But apparently lots of shoppers really love that kind of "bargain hunt".)

Re: The failure of self-checkout technology

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That’s not the full story though because there are random spot checks and they’re very very annoying when they happen.

Annoying? A person comes and scans a few of the items on the counter, then leaves again. If that is already annoying to you, you must live a very stressed life

It's super annoying. We'll often have groceries for the next few days, which includes a lot of baby food. So yeah, they're scanning like 40 items, and we have to repack the bag to not squash produce/bread and such.

Another related problem is that you physically can't leave the store unless you buy something and get a receipt to scan. You have to tailgate someone with a receipt, or hop the turnstyle, etc. Hope you're not in a wheelchair and change your mind / the store's out of what you were looking for!

Re: The failure of self-checkout technology

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The weight check slows the whole process down and I find I have to make sure I grab items with the cart-side hand or the system thinks I am trying to drop the item in the bag without scanning. Worst of all is the receipt check after the process - looking at you Costco. It feels like checking pockets in a diamond mine. If I am going to be doing all the work to save the store money they should loose the right to check…

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Re: The failure of self-checkout technology

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It seems that in general, the US lags behind in retail technology. In Australia, close to all supermarkets are majority if not entirely self checkout. Even a lot of retail brands like hardware stores and clothing stores are self checkout. The ones like Uniqlo where you just drop the items in and it instantly scans them all are incredibly nice to use.

Data point of just 1, but even in a small college town in the Midwest US, 50% or more counters at the grocery stores I've visited have been self checkout. Some places are almost entirely self checkout, to the point where if you need assistance it's hard to find an actual person employed by the store.

Same experience in a _very_ small college town in Midwest US. Though, the walmart did just "upgrade" their self checkouts. They improved nothing! They added a bunch more cameras and apparently the thing now has some predictive visual algorithm that will not allow you to scan multiple identical items at a time. They still haven't added the tap to the card terminal! Just let me tap! Everyone else does, crazy they haven't figured that out yet. They also have started making their greeters check receipts, which is insane knowing the culture of the again incredibly small town. I just walk right past them. Check my receipt in hell, nice old lady or wheelchair bound man, i got places to be!

Re: The failure of self-checkout technology

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> In theory, a system that let you scan products the same way checkout staff do without any weight checks or bagging area rules or other interruptions would be incredibly efficient How would it be more efficient than a traditional checkout? There's no way the average person can match the speed of a cashier who does that every day, and at least the supermarkets I've visited don't have enough self checkout machines to…

Traditional checkout takes two peoples' time: one scanning and the other waiting. Self-checkout only takes one person's time. So it'd have to be twice as fast to break even in terms of "time spent".

In 99% of cases I don't have time to wait because the cashier is so fast I can barely keep up putting the scanned stuff back in the cart. If I do self checkout I have to do both of those things myself, meaning I am guaranteed to be slower.

Re: The failure of self-checkout technology

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> In theory, a system that let you scan products the same way checkout staff do without any weight checks or bagging area rules or other interruptions would be incredibly efficient How would it be more efficient than a traditional checkout? There's no way the average person can match the speed of a cashier who does that every day, and at least the supermarkets I've visited don't have enough self checkout machines to…

> There's no way the average person can match the speed of a cashier who does that every day Lots of people have at some point worked as cashiers, it isn’t some completely rare skill. Average person, sure they’ll be worse, but go up like one standard deviation in scanning skill and you can probably win. The cashier has also been there all day and can’t leave, so they aren’t in as much of a rush.

> The cashier has also been there all day and can’t leave, so they aren’t in as much of a rush

Some chains track the speed. Afaik Aldi sets 1 scanned item per second as the goal on average, and that's so fast some people literally complain that they can't keep up with putting the scanned items into their cart/bag.

No, there is no way a random person can match that if they don't have a lot of practice.

Re: The failure of self-checkout technology

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>Another thing I really hate is that I've seen locked exit barriers that open when scanning the receipt. In sweden there is a real disregard for workplace safety :( Here in Sweden you can just push those out of the way (it sets of an alarm but if you push it back to closed position the alarm stops). FYI Sweden has strict workplace safety rules, not sure why you think there is a real disregard for this.

> you can just push those out of the way Try to do that on a wheelchair or with crutches now. > FYI Sweden has strict workplace safety rules, not sure why you think there is a real disregard for this. I'm sure the rules are there. They are just ignored, like the supermarket case. Most buildings (including office buildings) have doors that have unreasonably strong springs (for no reason whatsoever, a much weaker one w…

Not triggered at all, had you mentioned wheelchair access from the start I might have agreed that it could be better (not that I have any personal experience). I will be sure to observe these things from now on. No need to get snarky friend :)

Re: The failure of self-checkout technology

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post #248

It feels like almost all the issues with self-checkout technology come from the attempts to minimise shoplifting, which don't even seem that effective at doing that. In theory, a system that let you scan products the same way checkout staff do without any weight checks or bagging area rules or other interruptions would be incredibly efficient. Especially if you could do things like scan the same product multiple time…

Sam's Club in my location is like this. Their self-checkouts are a computer screen with a mobile scan gun. You pick up the scan gun and scan all the items in your cart however you want. Then you pay, then someone checks 2 or 3 items randomly on the way out to ensure they are on the receipt. People are saying the same can be done with an app, but I don't want to install another app.

Oh, and the person who checks receipts isn't just casually looking. The person checking receipts randomly scans a few items in your cart and then scans your receipt and the computer tells them if anything they scanned in your cart is not on the receipt, so it's a legit check, and it's fast. The whole thing takes about 15 seconds per cart, and if there is a big line they have the option of just letting people go without getting checked, so I've never had to wait.

Re: The failure of self-checkout technology

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post #370

I always use self-checkout and prefer it. Recently though it's gotten really annoying in the Walmart near my house in that there are like 30 checkouts out of which only 4 are working and there's again a line up. Probably again some stupid shoplifting prevention strategy, but it's highly nonsensical. On a similar note, I'm blown away by the checkout system in Decathlon stores. You literally just throw the item into a…

Uniqlo has a similar system for some stores where you just throw the items in and it automatically senses them. It’s probably more feasible for them because they do much more of the supply chain for their products and basically have an item all the way from manufacture to retail sale, so they probably cut a lot of the middlemen costs.
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