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European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Re: European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Post by meskyanichi »

nolok wrote: post #106
ceejayoz wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Of course it has it's downsides compared to S3 but when you compare pricing in "TB" to S3, you'll see how redonk the S3 pricing is. Remember, comparing "x TB of storage" to S3 is silly. S3 is designed to replicate your file to multiple datacenters (their site promises ELEVEN nines of durability!), provides things like a BitTorrent tracker for your files, etc.

Unless I'm mistaken he is not comparing TB of storage, but TB of bandwith used.

Yes, I was referring to bandwidth.

Re: European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Post by ashleyw »

meskyanichi wrote: post #73
ashleyw wrote: post #38

Their VPS service looks fantastic also: http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix_vserver/vserv... Their 2GB plan is 3x cheaper than Linode…and you get over 4x the data transfer! Does anyone know how the performance compares?

You could also just get a dedicated server with a good chunk of ram. Say, 32gb or the new 64gb one. Then install XEN or KVM on it and run your own VPS farm instead. It'll save you $800-1600 USD/month in the long-run once you fill up the whole box with VPSs. Another thing to note is that the new 64gb instance trucks a hexacore (6) core CPU and includes hyper-threading. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this…

How hard is Xen to configure and maintain? I like VPSs because they're mostly hassle free, and all my projects are separate and isolated. It seems like running all my projects on one box would be a massive headache!

Re: European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Post by justincormack »

MysticFear wrote: post #162
funkaster wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is why shopping online is less common in, say, south america, than it is in north america not completely true: I'm a south american (Chilean) currently living in the US. Shopping online in south america is not as common because: a) access to credit cards is not as common as in the US b) there's only few companies doing the inter-bank connection and credit card processing, which btw charge some excessive fees,…

You can most likely do that if your friend is using the same bank. Also, paypal is always an option.

Yes but there are so many banks this is unlikely. In the rest of the world it just works.

Re: European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Post by drone »

nirvana wrote: post #112
irahul wrote: post #86

I have a question. Do they always ask for passport scan and credit card photograph, or I fall under some special category which makes me suspicious? Going by the rave reviews, I ordered the 512 MB vps to evaluate, and was greeted by an email asking for my passport and credit card photograph. I don't feel like doing business with them anymore. I am a bit uncomfortable about sharing my credit card info. But since I alr…

TLDR: You do almost the same thing in the USA, only it is automated. We have the patriot act which requires collecting a lot of info-- the US has centralized databases (namely credit reports) that allow easy authentication of people. Outside the USA, they don't have the patriot act, but they have a lot of similar laws, and thus collecting a copy of your passport lets them know you're not an identity thief and lets th…

"You do almost the same thing in the USA, only it is automated. We have the patriot act which requires collecting a lot of info-- the US has centralized databases (namely credit reports) that allow easy authentication of people. Outside the USA, they don't have the patriot act, but they have a lot of similar laws, and thus collecting a copy of your passport lets them know you're not an identity thief and lets them satisfy "know your customer" laws in their country."

This is quite possibly one of the oddest things I have read all day, and what, the 5th time the patriot act has come up in this thread? What in the world does the Patriot Act have to do with credit card transaction authorizations? You also seem to imply that credit reports are used to authorize individual card transactions, please provide a citation as I have never heard of this.

Your post very nearly hit on exactly the issue, but was clouded by this first paragraph.

So, let's make it clearer: the reason for asking for a scanned copy of the credit card is to prove the person who made the transaction had a physical copy of the card with an impressed number on it. This is used as a means of reducing the chance of loss in the case of a chargeback as online transactions do not require swiping a card through a POS terminal which normally proves the presence of the card by reading the magnetic stripe[1]. An impression or image of a card is one of the most important means of reducing your liability as a merchant during a chargeback[2]. The scanned copy of the passport is just further validation. We do the exact same for any transaction initiating from a country where we have received a heightened rate of chargebacks from customers based in that country.

Your confusion about the Patriot Act seems to not differentiate the idea of an individual transaction from setting up a transaction account. Perhaps you should read up on that more. The Patriot Act anti-money laundering aspects are not about validating every single transaction through a government database, but about validating the identity of a person requesting to open a new account. [3]

[1] http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/B/6/4/%7BB64DD6E5-3B79-4920-... [2] http://www.heartlandpaymentsystems.com/article/Manually-Impr... [3] http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/rp/rulings/html/312factsheet...

Re: European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Post by drone »

Roritharr wrote: post #122
nirvana wrote: post #114

Hetzner is nirvana for pre-ramen profitable big data startups. You can build a cluster for a whole lot less than Amazon-- in many cases 1/10th the cost (depending on which resources are higher priority, for us.) The question is-- can you host in germany and serve a customer base that is primarily in the USA? Our application isn't too latency intensive... but this is my primary concern. Would it be stupid for an ameri…

Don't forget that "hosted in Germany" is a quality mark with which you can advertise. Especially International Customers don't like the idea of their data being stored in a country where the Patriot Act is a present reality.

Don't forget that "Hosted in Germany" is also a red flag for a lot of companies that they may be arbitrarily assessed massive fees to prop up other businesses[1]. As is the same with many EU countries[2][3]. You're taking a risk wherever your data is stored.

[1] http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-17785613 [2] http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a... [3] http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/02/french-court-fines-google...

So, you can either have to implement good data protection so that your users don't have to worry about the FBI snooping in the U.S., or you can run the risk that some country in the EU decides to prop up some failing industry by extracting unreasonable tolls out of your company. Personally, I'd go with the former, but that's just my opinion.

Re: European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Post by ashconnor »

bond wrote: post #177
rmoriz wrote: post #53

If you're outside the EU, you probably don't have to pay 19% VAT. So it's even less than 109€...

The same if you have a company outside Germany and based in Europe

But only if you are VAT registered, at least in the UK.

Re: European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Post by ashconnor »

6.2 The client undertakes not to publish content that may violate the rights of third parties or otherwise violate the law. The placement of erotic, pornographic, extremist material or material not deemed in good taste is not permitted. We are entitled to block access to the account of any customer who violates this.

The same applies in the event that the customer publishes content which is capable of violating the rights of individuals or groups of people, or that insults or denigrates these people. This applies even without an actual legal claim. We are not obligated to review our customers' content.

That basically rules out many user driven content sites.

Re: European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Post by mufumbo »

Right now I have three servers in hetzner. I have been using them for 5 years, but only last year my startup "boomed", so I had to cancel my old server and move it in the same rack as the other servers. If your startup has already "boomed" just make it sure to rent all your servers in the same rack or pay the reservation fee ($10 per server).

Hetzner prices are great for any software engineer. Having that powerful server waiting for my projects is one of the reasons that I had the chance of succeeding. I used to say that this is our profession and having a dedicated server is a mandatory thing.

Even with one server from hetzner I was able to virtualize it into 8 machines and create a real production environment that made it easier to scale. After you learn XEN it's faster than going through amazon interface.

From my past experience I always worked with people who wanted to use amazon or google appengine. I was always against it and said that the prices were ridiculously expensive. My colleges said that they didn't wanted to manage servers and the cost of appengine was only $2 per day, etc. This is a real story and when the time of high traffic came the $2 became $50 and now we pay $1500 in something that could be handled with ONE $100 hetzner server. After using hetzner I would NEVER advise appengine and I would only advise amazon if you must have the servers in the US.

For those who say that the site would have too much latency if it's in hetzner: just use a cdn for static content, http://www.maxcdn.com is very cheap and probably much better than just hosting in the US.

Re: European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Post by mufumbo »

Gormo wrote: post #157
irahul wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mostly agree with what you say. I was a bit angry because they didn't mention this at the time of signing up. It might be somewhere in the t&c but I think this kind of information should be explicitly told viz. we require your passport and credit card photo to sign you up with our service. I didn't like the callousness with which they request the information. Another commenter mentioned he talked to them and they s…

> a copy of my passport is with my employer, my landlord, custom offices and a bazillion other places It is? Where do you live that this is a normal thing?

You are renting a server in Germany. If you were a german citizen, they would ask you a copy of your id. Since you are a foreigner they ask you for a foreigner identification, which is the passport.

Aside from the passport, when I first rented a server there I had to send a ¡PHOTOCOPY¡ of my credit card and send via FAX. That was the truly weird thing :)

I tried everything to not send things via fax, but then I understood that they must receive hundreds of request from fake people with fake id and fake credit card. If they don't have at least the photocopy of those it means that you're probably a fake trying to get a server with someone else data.

In the end I decided to send the data anyway, since it's a huge corporation and they're based in Germany. If it was based in some shady place, I would never send the data.

Re: European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Post by gaillard »

For all those who care about taking responsibility for the environment, this is what their site says:

"Hetzner Online exclusively uses energy from renewable sources to power the servers in its data centers. Our environmental partner is TÜV-certified NaturEnergie AG, a company that generates green energy from 100 percent carbon dioxide-free and environmentally-friendly hydropower. The energy generated by flowing water is, from an ecological viewpoint, considered to be the best form of power generation for the environment."

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