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Why Are American Cities Squalid?

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Re: Why Are American Cities Squalid?

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In Europe the pinnacle of collective action is the government. In America the pinnacle of collective action is the corporation. Corporations are required by law to maximize shareholder value - not maximize communal quality of life. There are other levels of communal action in the US - churches and family mostly. Cities are a product of intense collective action. In the US - it's very easy to hobble the collective act…

Singling this out of that collection of unbacked assertions . . . > Corporations are required by law to maximize shareholder value No. And saying it more often does not make it any more true.

What they are getting at is the concept of "fiduciary duty". Executives appointed by a board or partners in a partnership must act with fiduciary duty, which generally means they have to act faithfully to the wishes of the shareholders. BUT, the shareholders can specify any values they wish. They don't have to be maximizing shareholder value, they can be to pursue environmental goals, or social improvement, or anything they so chose.

In modern publicly owned corporations, most shares are actually held by intermediary banks, and votes are done via proxy. Most shareholder resolutions fail, and votes are given to those who most claim to maximize shareholder value. It doesn't NEED to be this way, but this is the way it is now. But it could be different.

Re: Why Are American Cities Squalid?

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Because we encourage it? If I am an IV drug user with no possessions, and a city promises the right to shelter (NYC as an example), decriminalization of hard drugs (NYC, SF, Seattle, Vancouver as examples), and volunteers or vending machines with Narcan are floating around, I would go to these cities from where I'm from. Cities were less squalid in the early 2000s, and somewhere in the decade that followed we decided…

Portugal decriminalised all drugs. It got a lot nicer, and certainly is now far less squalid than the US. So that theory is out.

I think a lot gets missed in these types of comparisons with the US because the US is both a much less urban country, and also a federal system where a lot of problems get pushed down to local governments.

These two forces work in opposite directions of attraction. Because the country is less urban than Western Europe, the most attractive places to live are not exclusively the big 3 cities. Our wealthy people are pulled away from the cities as much as they are attracted to them.

Meanwhile, a lot of national problems - drug addiction, homelessness, mental illness.. are essentially handed down to cities to deal with. Blue cities by and large have more social services, shelters, lax drug laws, needle programs, etc.. which attracts people who have these problems. Further, some cities like NYC have laws on the books that essentially force the city to provide a shelter bed for anyone who wants one.

Right now we are seeing this made worse by NYC absorbing a disproportionate number of migrants which are then the cities responsibility to house/feed. Wherever you stand on migrant policy, NYC has received a number of migrants equal to the pre-existing number of homeless shelter beds, at a time when shelters were at a an all time high utilization. So our homeless/shelter budget which is already higher per capita than most of the rest of the country just needed to double.

So blue cities end up with disproportionate number of problems they need to solve.

Re: Why Are American Cities Squalid?

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post #9

In Europe the pinnacle of collective action is the government. In America the pinnacle of collective action is the corporation. Corporations are required by law to maximize shareholder value - not maximize communal quality of life. There are other levels of communal action in the US - churches and family mostly. Cities are a product of intense collective action. In the US - it's very easy to hobble the collective act…

Singling this out of that collection of unbacked assertions . . . > Corporations are required by law to maximize shareholder value No. And saying it more often does not make it any more true.

They're required by law to follow their corporate charters, and those almost always require maximizing shareholder value. They don't typically restrict that to short-term value though, so long-term growth strategies aren't ruled out by this.

Re: Why Are American Cities Squalid?

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A very complex problem the deeper you investigate this, the less you seem to know. I've done it :)

If you look at who is doing it super well, like perhaps Japan? It's largely due to a 99.99% conviction rate on all crime accusations, which I take as a kangaroo court system, into penal labour. I don't think there's much to learn from there. Japan should stop their penal labour.

Switzerland, norway do a good job? Which came down to largely speaking a change about 10 years ago where people may live in the war fallout shelters but also a huge difference in labour laws. Mainly being no minimum wage. There's some brilliance to this, but not the entire answer. North america doesnt have these equivalent policies which isolate the squalid issues to another place. So often the social nets are located downtown and so they isolate these issues to their downtown. Moving the problem, isnt necessarily solving the problem.

You look at countries which have universal mental health care AND universal parental leave and supports. There's a huge correlation to solving these sorts of problems. Early childhood abuse reductions have huge impact toward criminality in general, including frivolous crimes like speeding and littering.

But then you look at the 'who is even responsible for cleaning up the mess' and generally speaking its the municipalities.

>But NYC’s problems only seem to be getting worse, especially for those who have the least.

I never researched NYC specifically back in the day but I am aware of what's happening there.

If you research Coleman Young's failures with detroit. NYC is basically following lockstep with how he failed detroit and caused the city of detroit's decline. Hows the saying go? Don't learn history and repeat it?

Thousands of years ago the political class figured out that the more control you apply to your populous, the more powerful you feel but the less actual control you have.

I cant point to any specific year for NYC but they've been in decline for at least a decade or more.

Basically what happens, the political class increases control, pushes out those who oppose and end up with increased support. They claim success. They rinse repeat. After a number of these cycles, the richer people who can afford to flee, have fled. Then you start getting tax hikes because they don't quite have the same tax base anymore.They dont blame themselves for the problem they caused.

So later on, you really struggle with your budget. NYC recentlyish announced deep cuts to police, education, libraries.

So NYC is deeply reducing the services they provide for what exactly? They take a percentage and have had many tax hikes.

Obviously, cleaning the squalor has already been cut. How many people just look at the tremendously high taxes and regulations, but then compare it to the now greatly reduced services. Where's all the money going? So you leave as well.

The only way NYC prevents their collapse is a huge reduction is their control. But politically that will never happen, so the squalor will increasingly get worse.

Re: Why Are American Cities Squalid?

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Because we encourage it? If I am an IV drug user with no possessions, and a city promises the right to shelter (NYC as an example), decriminalization of hard drugs (NYC, SF, Seattle, Vancouver as examples), and volunteers or vending machines with Narcan are floating around, I would go to these cities from where I'm from. Cities were less squalid in the early 2000s, and somewhere in the decade that followed we decided…

Portugal decriminalised all drugs. It got a lot nicer, and certainly is now far less squalid than the US. So that theory is out.

Portugal introduced mandatory treatment along with decriminalization; that's the component that diverges quite substantially from North American policy.

Re: Why Are American Cities Squalid?

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Many countries just hide poverty and homelessness. For instance by sending them all to a district foreigners don’t go to or know about.

As a visitor to many Western Europe / rich Asia cities, this is a fair point. Being in the business district / rich residential / fancy shopping districts, you'd be hard pressed in most of those cities to actually walk into a "bad part of town".

In NYC and a lot of US cities, things can vary from block to block. You could live in Manhattan in a $3M apartment and the nearest grocery is the same one that NYCHA residents use. I'm not saying being poor makes you do crime, but if you are someone who is in a gang and doing crime, you are more likely to live in NYCHA than in the $3M apartment.

It's pretty normal in neighborhoods like UWS, Chelsea, LES/East Village, North Brooklyn to have block to block variance like this.

My subway stop has had 2 drug/gang related murders in the last 2 years, and it's also the first stop into Brooklyn from Manhattan. You'd not expect that.

So yeah, I think we also hide the problem less in our cities than Europe.

Re: Why Are American Cities Squalid?

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Because we encourage it? If I am an IV drug user with no possessions, and a city promises the right to shelter (NYC as an example), decriminalization of hard drugs (NYC, SF, Seattle, Vancouver as examples), and volunteers or vending machines with Narcan are floating around, I would go to these cities from where I'm from. Cities were less squalid in the early 2000s, and somewhere in the decade that followed we decided…

The nicest cities in the world are far more relaxed and far more giving. As far as I see it the answer is simple. Americans hate paying taxes, love giving their money to the millionaire/billionaire class and jerk themselves off to being mad about homelessness and immigration.

Re: Why Are American Cities Squalid?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Portugal decriminalised all drugs. It got a lot nicer, and certainly is now far less squalid than the US. So that theory is out.

Portugal introduced mandatory treatment along with decriminalization; that's the component that diverges quite substantially from North American policy.

I think US bias towards individual liberties culturally, and civil rights laws legally.. make a lot of this type of stick AND carrot approach harder.

Like we can lock people in jail for violating drug laws.

Or we can allow drug use & provide clean needles.

But it is very very hard to pass & enforce "we will force you into a rehab house" or "we will force you to take addiction treatment X / mental health drug Y". The bar for this type of intervention is very high, and ironically higher than "you broke a law and go to jail now".

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