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US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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Post by nprateem »

maccard wrote: post #580
andersa wrote: post #373

It's incredible that there are actually people in this thread arguing in favor of Apple. You don't need to defend the trillion dollar company. They are not your friend, they do not care about you, your work or your life. All they do is steal 30% from society that could be used for more productive purposes than make a few people who already have everything even richer.

> It's incredible that there are actually people in this thread arguing in favor of Apple It's incredible to me that people arguing against apple here don't realise that they're arguing to allow another billion dollar company to do what they want, and that their own opinion is the only one that could possibly be valid If you want an open ecosystem with alternative app stores, head on over to Android. The value of iOS…

> head on over to Android

I'll just tell all my potential customers to buy a new phone before buying my app. That'll work.

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Post by bdcravens »

bob1029 wrote: post #583

The solution is very simple for me. Stop participating in the native app ecosystems. The way I see it, you get 2 major pieces of value out of these. First, they serve as a B2C marketing channel. Second, they provide access to certain native hardware features & OS integration. The first point is difficult to contend with, but HN and Twitter seem to serve as a fine counterpoint. For native hardware access, I'd recommen…

The question isn't whether founders have tried the open web, but whether they can reach their customers there. Myself, I feel that as a developer and a power user I'm far enough removed from "regular" users that I don't know the answer to the question, I only know it's important to ask it.

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Post by gajnadsgjoas »

bob1029 wrote: post #583

The solution is very simple for me. Stop participating in the native app ecosystems. The way I see it, you get 2 major pieces of value out of these. First, they serve as a B2C marketing channel. Second, they provide access to certain native hardware features & OS integration. The first point is difficult to contend with, but HN and Twitter seem to serve as a fine counterpoint. For native hardware access, I'd recommen…

I think it's not that easy, Telegram tried very hard but got forced into apple restrictions in web browsers, you can read many complaints about it from the founder

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Post by dns_snek »

blackqueeriroh wrote: post #497

For everyone who thinks Google is some paragon of cooperation and openness as compared to Apple, they just got slammed in court effectively attempting to call their platform open while paying off companies to stay in the Play Store in a very similar case to Epic v. Apple. In fact, this was Epic v. Google. Why did Google lose and Apple largely win? Because Apple had always said their platform was closed and were up fr…

This is pointless whataboutism, they're both bad. Google is more open as a platform, but sucks in many other ways and Apple doesn't get points for being anti-competitive to begin with.

There's nothing "honest" about deceiving your customers and hiding a 30% fee with NDAs.

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Post by nprateem »

maccard wrote: post #573
jdkoeck wrote: post #510

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Again, it’s crazy people defend Apple on this. Apple is not just providing a payment platform, it’s forcing you to use it. As a developer, you should be free to use any payment platform you want in your app, like on the web. Let the user decide. End of story.

> Let the user decide. End of story. The value proposition of iOS is that the app store is the place to go, and that my experience will be seamless. I want a centralised place to manage my subscriptions. Here's an example: I subscribed to NYT Cooking in the web a few years back. I went to cancel only to find out that I have to phone them. If I subscribed on an app store it would have been one click and done. I'm actu…

Yeah that's perfectly reasonable. Of course it makes everything easier. It's also practically impossible to compete against which is what gives apple this unfair advantage, making their 30% cut obscene. They're making it due to being first, technical issues aside.

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Post by ryanbrunner »

riscy wrote: post #429
Hamuko wrote: post #423

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Apple has thankfully figured out that there's good money in online sales so they'll in fact get a cut if you buy stuff on Safari, although only if you use Apple Pay and even then they only get a miniscule 0.15% (or less) cut. I imagine this is because they don't have the technology to skim off all transactions yet and laws prohibiting excessive processing fees.

Does there exist a payment processor that takes zero cut?

Apple Pay is not a payment processor, it's a mechanism for delivering payment information to a payment processor.

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Post by riscy »

jdkoeck wrote: post #510
ribit wrote: post #499

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I have difficulty following this argument, especially the "stealing" part. App Store does not just randomly take money from the devs. App Store also provides a service. They do world-wide payment and VAT processing, refund processing, discovery, distribution, user login management, APIs, distributed cloud storage, etc. It costs money to run these things. As a small-time developer, I think this is a great deal for 15%…

Again, it’s crazy people defend Apple on this. Apple is not just providing a payment platform, it’s forcing you to use it. As a developer, you should be free to use any payment platform you want in your app, like on the web. Let the user decide. End of story.

Apple provides the OS and SDKs developers need to make their app function at all.

Users do not care how much it costs a developer. They want it to be easy to see and cancel subscriptions all in one place. The web’s myriad of payment systems is the opposite of a good user experience, meant to only fatten the pockets of developers by making it difficult to cancel.

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Post by charcircuit »

totaa wrote: post #457
charcircuit wrote: post #401

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>All they do is steal 30% from society that could be used for more productive purposes This is how all businesses work. If there was no way to make profit then businesses would not exist. Apple spent billions of dollars creating an app platform with a clear monetization model that did not get in the way of them accumulating a lot of valuable apps and users. Developers are not forced to make apps for the platform nor…

> nor are users forced to use the app platform is side loading or alternative stores like f droid available on IOS?

Yes, but it is for supporting developers and enterprises.
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