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US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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Re: US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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Google should update the Chrome TOS so that they get 30% of all sales placed through Chrome, regardless of payment processor used. They're missing out on trillions of dollars and all they have to do is update their TOS!

A lot of businesses spend more than 30% of their products cost on Google Ads. I know plenty of people who sell something for $20, and spend $30 on Google Ads to get that user to their site.

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Re: US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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How is it non-app store purchasing if Apple still gets the commission? If Apple gets commission, the sale took place on Apple's cyberturf, all of which can be identified as being their app store. The user's Apple device where they made this purchase is effectively a branch location of the that store.

It's malicious compliance. It's non-app store purchase but Apple still gets to keep a 27% net cut. Had Apple made no commissions on those sales it would have still been super onerous but at least then people can "buy" the degraded experience if there is a savings to be had for the customer.

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It's incredible that there are actually people in this thread arguing in favor of Apple. You don't need to defend the trillion dollar company. They are not your friend, they do not care about you, your work or your life. All they do is steal 30% from society that could be used for more productive purposes than make a few people who already have everything even richer.

Keeping the tax at more or less the same rate on outbound links is incredibly brazen, even by Apple standards.

If the EU DMA does eventually force them to open the platform to competing stores it’s going to be very hard to defend the different policies in different markets, especially as I assume Epic will push aggressively to have Fortnite and the Epic Games store on iOS in those markets as early as possible to force the conversation.

Re: US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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Here's a little story / timeline from 2009-2010 (from my perspective as a dev on Kindle for iOS): * we submit the Kindle app ...including an in-app bookstore... to Apple for initial app review (Note: multiple ebook readers with in-app bookstores are already on the app store at this point) * several weeks pass with no response * Apple announces in-app purchasing (to be released several months later) * Apple rejects ou…

I did my first iOS development about a couple of years ago. Question, how in the world do you tolerate the storyboard XML files? One small change in XCode results in so many line changes. PRs are impossible to review with any confidence.

Answer: Don't use storyboards.

Re: US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a little story / timeline from 2009-2010 (from my perspective as a dev on Kindle for iOS): * we submit the Kindle app ...including an in-app bookstore... to Apple for initial app review (Note: multiple ebook readers with in-app bookstores are already on the app store at this point) * several weeks pass with no response * Apple announces in-app purchasing (to be released several months later) * Apple rejects ou…

Sorry but I can't find much sympathy for anything Amazon related when comparing with Apple. In my book they're both predatory.

Well all the same things would apply to any independent ebook store, it would just hurt them massively more than it does Amazon..

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Something is not moral just because it makes a profit or because it is legal, and revenue is also not profit. And I think if a company operates outside societal norms, which I think Apple with regards to European societal norms, it should expect to get regulated to fit those norms again. Maybe the US is too dysfunctional to do this any more, but the purpose of government should be to align the laws and regulations wi…

>My bank generates revenue by offering me a service in return for my money, not by monopolizing access to my money and then charging people who want to sell to me for the honour of allowing me to buy their goods and services. Well, maybe Apple should open a bank. You just gave them ideas. :)

If that is the only way they can make profits while aligning with the norms of the societies they operate in then sure, more power to them.

Re: US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a little story / timeline from 2009-2010 (from my perspective as a dev on Kindle for iOS): * we submit the Kindle app ...including an in-app bookstore... to Apple for initial app review (Note: multiple ebook readers with in-app bookstores are already on the app store at this point) * several weeks pass with no response * Apple announces in-app purchasing (to be released several months later) * Apple rejects ou…

Sorry but I can't find much sympathy for anything Amazon related when comparing with Apple. In my book they're both predatory.

This doesn't affect only Amazon, it affects also all smaller online book stores

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It's very likely that people posting on Hacker News may hold equity in a company like Apple, may have their primary form of income derived from that company or may be able to attribute their sizeable wealth to its growth. It is no surprise that people will come to the defense of this giant when you stop to consider this. Apple doesn't have to care about them, it already has. I am of the opinion that there should be s…

Pretty much everyone that invests in the public equity markets holds equity in Apple. In fact, Apple would be most public market investor’s biggest holding (or 2nd biggest due to Microsoft’s recent increases) via index funds. Even if you are not invested in public equity markets, you can be exposed to them via local and state government’s pension fund investments, because if those do not perform as projected, then yo…

With the caveat that if you just invest in indexed funds, if Apple does worse than before, probably some competitor does better than before, and it might compensate. If you just own AAPL stocks on the other hand...

Re: US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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> Links cannot be placed directly on an in-app purchase screen or in the in-app purchase flow.

This and the other rules amount to effective evasion of the ruling. If the link isn’t allowed under almost all circumstances, it’s hard to see how Apple is complying in good faith.

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