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So... pretty much everyone who matters in our current system.
Your moral value system is on full display... "might makes right".
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Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon
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The military thinks they can predict the outcome of battles using tech. They already do extensive sim-gaming stuff for such, and an LLM would fit into these things nicely enough. Whether it actually adds meaningful value matters much less than whether the people paying for it think it can be made to add meaningful value. The other obvious purpose is propaganda, foreign and domestic.
> The military thinks they can predict the outcome of battles using tech. Ugh. Do they really? Ok, I’m more concerned now. I’m curious where I can find more about the sim-gaming you mentioned. I know there are all kinds of simulators for training as well as wargaming but wasn’t aware of stuff used for modelling outcomes. Then again, I don’t have any involvement with that stuff professionally.
War gaming goes way back. Napoleon did it. Chess is a form of it and it’s thousands of years old.
Dungeons and Dragons and thus all computer RPGs have their direct lineage to military gaming simulations.
Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon
#373Important to know: > Anna Makanju, the company’s vice president of global affairs ... added that it will retain its ban on developing weapons
Where's the binding part of that? In a world where they just remove the language that says they won't work with the military at all , what reassurance should a verbal promise by a VP provide? Assume that the parenthetical "(... for now)" is implied in all such promises.
The binding is coming from inside the building, so to speak. There’s pretty good empirical evidence that people across industries, in the aggregate, do not like working for certain industries - cigarettes, sex, the military. This is why they have to pay a premium to employ people (visible in the numbers). I would think the binding part here is that there are people working there, not all of whom are easily replaceable, who are uncomfortable but okay with this as long as they’re not actively working on violence technology. If that changes, they will enforce the “penalty” by leaving.
Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon
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I don't know why they'd need OpenAI though. Our government's three letter agencies must have a one hell of a data set to train their own AI on.
The best brains don't go work for the CIA or the DoD, or at least they don't stay. It's not an environment in which you can strive and do your best work. Nothing against what they do, I'm ex-military, but the culture in these institutions just doesn't cut it for the Vibes required. In addition, one's career is much better served working in the free market than submitting yourself to the government's arbitrary levelli…
The number one reason hackers don’t work for the DoD is they won’t be able to do any kickass drugs anymore. Hackers love drugs.
The number 2 reason is the pay is shit.
Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon
#375Musk last year: >OpenAI was created as an open source (which is why I named it “Open” AI), non-profit company to serve as a counterweight to Google, but now it has become a closed source, maximum-profit company effectively controlled by Microsoft. Not what I intended at all. It's quite impressive how quickly it's morphed from do good non profit to part of the military industrial complex.
It’s been pretty fun as a fan of market dynamics to observe the Great Eye of Power catch on with attention and then investment and then securing the Ring for itself.
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#376DARPA will find its way one way or another. You can virtue signaling, but there is no reality you can stop them obtaining the technology. Besides your enemy will not wait.
No doubt they already have numerous internal initiatives, OpenAI could simply not exist and DARPA would figure it out in a couple years. OpenAI's public offerings are already pretty successfully used by adversaries. It seems like just creating a technology such as this and shooting it out into the world has only created more potential for harm across the board.
Google hasn’t managed it and they are far far better staffed and funded than any government or military program.
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This is a complex topic: I’m a firm believer that Pax Americana has been good for the world as a whole, but there are also no shortage of terrible crimes, and no small number of people who are worse off (including many members of the military itself). I don’t believe it’s “childish” to have serious concerns about the military.
Operation Condor wasn't very pax for anyone living in Pinochet's Chile, or really anywhere in South or Latin America, but I'm sure your family did just fine.
America has historically been racist. The pax was for the sake of the northern hemisphere.
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> This is not a view shared by any experts on the ground. Russia still maintains enough potential to cause immense damage to Poland, Finland, and all other of its neighbours, even if they ultimately lose. Rebuilding Ukraine will take many decades and countless billions, and the vast areas Russians have mined will take many centuries to clear. The mines will maim and kill tens of thousands of people - some of who have…
> Russia could certainly cause severe economic damage and kill many people, sure. But find me one credible expert who, given what we know now, supports your "hundreds of millions" claim. Since mid-2023, everyone from think-tanks like the German Council on Foreign Relations to chiefs of defense of Europe have been ringing an alarm bell over Putin's ambitions beyond Ukraine. The population of Germany and Poland alone p…
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Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon
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Better to proliferate than let a maniacal despot with a monthly habit of declaring his intent to enslave a thriving liberal democracy from being the only one with power.
That country was not a "thriving liberal democracy". Unless you count nazi militias as democratic and liberal nowadays. If it werent for the specific nationality the neonazis were shooting at, the water connected alliance would bomb them for being nazis instead.
I was talking about Taiwan. I honestly have no idea to what you’re alluding.
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#380Earlier quoted context omitted.
Better to proliferate than let a maniacal despot with a monthly habit of declaring his intent to enslave a thriving liberal democracy from being the only one with power.
That country was not a "thriving liberal democracy". Unless you count nazi militias as democratic and liberal nowadays. If it werent for the specific nationality the neonazis were shooting at, the water connected alliance would bomb them for being nazis instead.
I agree that Ukraine was not a thriving liberal democracy, it was an infant democracy trying to shake out a corruption infested political class. The issue was not nazi militias, that's Russia's propaganda.
Because if nazi militias is your main point of contention I'd need to point you towards the USA for you to take a look as well... Not a thriving democracy either?