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US developers can offer non-app store purchasing, Apple still collect commission

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Post by NineStarPoint »

kridsdale1 wrote: post #387
pompino wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We should discuss the points on their merits, not based on who's making them and how much money they have. Its not based on how much money they have. Its how they've managed to accumulate the money - by gouging devs.

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Would Apple even approve something going on the app store that tried to do things in ways that were that non-standard? More generally it’s not like you can choose to host your own servers or, in forgoing all of Apple’s work, not have to pay that 30%. When Apple isn’t going to let you do things another way, they don’t get to argue that all of the benefits they do provide are what people are paying for. People have to pay the price to be allowed on the ecosystem at all.

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Post by riscy »

pompino wrote: post #391
riscy wrote: post #173

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Amazon forces their users to leave the app, not Apple.

It's understandable they don't want to pay the mafia.

The trillion-dollar Amazon is also the mafia of online shopping. No reason to give them any sympathy.

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Post by 4pkjai »

55555 wrote: post #402

Google should update the Chrome TOS so that they get 30% of all sales placed through Chrome, regardless of payment processor used. They're missing out on trillions of dollars and all they have to do is update their TOS!

A lot of businesses spend more than 30% of their products cost on Google Ads.

I know plenty of people who sell something for $20, and spend $30 on Google Ads to get that user to their site.

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Post by jb1991 »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #397
pompino wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We should discuss the points on their merits, not based on who's making them and how much money they have. Its not based on how much money they have. Its how they've managed to accumulate the money - by gouging devs.

To be fair, roughly half of Apple's money is made from hardware. The app store is extremely lucrative and apparently 70%+ of their revenue from the App store is just leeching off of mobile games, but Apple can definitely survive without the app store if push came to shove. BUT, I will also mention that part of its market capture comes from all the charges on devs even before the rev share. You need apple equipment to…

> a cost to submit your app for review

They charge you to submit an app? Is this new? When I worked as an iOS developer this was not a thing but that was many years ago.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

riscy wrote: post #425
account-5 wrote: post #383

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You clearly not been looking hard enough; Google, rightly, gets hated on way more than Apple. My experience tends to be that on HN apple can do no wrong.

Google gets mild-mannered, disappointed commenters sighing about how they've messed up search, the web, and has no product/customer support. When Apple comes up, people get on their soap boxes with expletives about how society and the world is fundamentally being ruined. The tone just isn't comparable at all.

you must have missed the soapboxes on how google cannot properly support products anymore (The "google graveyard") and especially any topic touching on Youtube.

But sure, for Android topics they get off lighter because devs do technically have F-Droid as an option, or simply hosting an APK on version control for user s to find. There are ways to get around Google's barriers even if they have a steep financial penalty. Apple gives no official way without voiding your warranty (I don't even think rooting your Android these days void you).

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Post by jve »

andersa wrote: post #373

It's incredible that there are actually people in this thread arguing in favor of Apple. You don't need to defend the trillion dollar company. They are not your friend, they do not care about you, your work or your life. All they do is steal 30% from society that could be used for more productive purposes than make a few people who already have everything even richer.

Stealing? I see it as fee for an exchange to access to a huge market of wealthy people (one that can afford an iPhone probably can afford your app). Where entry barrier is extremely low. If you make 100 sales, you don't have to pay much, if you make huge profits off the platform you make huge payments to the platform owner.

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Post by pompino »

riscy wrote: post #432
pompino wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's understandable they don't want to pay the mafia.

The trillion-dollar Amazon is also the mafia of online shopping. No reason to give them any sympathy.

touche!

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Post by account-5 »

riscy wrote: post #425
account-5 wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You clearly not been looking hard enough; Google, rightly, gets hated on way more than Apple. My experience tends to be that on HN apple can do no wrong.

Google gets mild-mannered, disappointed commenters sighing about how they've messed up search, the web, and has no product/customer support. When Apple comes up, people get on their soap boxes with expletives about how society and the world is fundamentally being ruined. The tone just isn't comparable at all.

You're definitely not looking in the right places then. I've seen Microsoft, Google, twitter, Mozilla, you name the company; coming under fire and everyone piling on. When apple gets criticised in the same way (few and far between that it is), you get an army of apologists out in force ready to die to defend all that apple does.

I've never come across a company that instills that sort of blind faith in its users.

My personal stance is I don't trust any of these companies and will come to threads to be informed about whatever privacy/security/monopoly practices these companies are trying to bypass/do this week for their own profit. I have no allegiance, they're all as bad as each other. In my experience apple is able to do more and gets criticised less.

A recent example was Google implementing something in chrome apple had implemented ages ago in safari. You actually had people saying is was ok for Apple to do it but not Google.

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Post by jonhohle »

radley wrote: post #76
turquoisevar wrote: post #61

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Depends. If we’re talking about the details of the implementation, maybe. If it’s about the commission that still needs to be paid, then no. That’s directly mentioned in the original ruling by the district court, a commission is due regardless.

I think the real problem is unlimited access to accounting books for any business that has an iOS app. This will affect free apps too, since they now have the potential to offer purchases outside the app store. (Obviously, strategic partners and FAANG are exempt.)

The difference between the Apple and Google lawsuits (from what I can tell), is that Apple didn’t exempt FANG and held them to the same terms as everyone else while Google made private deals with special terms for individual businesses (Spotify was one, IIRC) that were not available to all customers.

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Post by Zetobal »

andersa wrote: post #373

It's incredible that there are actually people in this thread arguing in favor of Apple. You don't need to defend the trillion dollar company. They are not your friend, they do not care about you, your work or your life. All they do is steal 30% from society that could be used for more productive purposes than make a few people who already have everything even richer.

This guy also hates taxes.
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