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Growing income inequality is driving public mistrust

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Re: Growing income inequality is driving public mistrust

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Curious to not see inheritance/estate taxes listed among the possible solutions here, but I guess that a "wealth tax" could indirectly address this by whittling away at large fortunes over time while people are still alive. This may help avoid the issue of people using trusts to sidestep estate taxes (although I'm sure they would find a way!). More generally, I highly recommend any of Thomas Piketty's books for detai…

I'm not an expert here but my understanding is that most generational wealth is gone by the third generation anyway. Even if you outlawed inheritance entirely it seems like it wouldn't make a huge marginal difference?

Re: Growing income inequality is driving public mistrust

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Just the first sentence is a bit of an eye-opener:

> This year’s World Economic Forum at Davos is focused on the theme of “rebuilding trust”.

That this would be the theme chosen for Davos in 2024 speaks volumes about the state of institutions post-2020.

Re: Growing income inequality is driving public mistrust

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Curious to not see inheritance/estate taxes listed among the possible solutions here, but I guess that a "wealth tax" could indirectly address this by whittling away at large fortunes over time while people are still alive. This may help avoid the issue of people using trusts to sidestep estate taxes (although I'm sure they would find a way!). More generally, I highly recommend any of Thomas Piketty's books for detai…

Also, "Capital in the 21st Century", in nice hardback editions barely used, are available in many used bookstores. :) All joking aside, it is a good read.

Re: Growing income inequality is driving public mistrust

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Curious to not see inheritance/estate taxes listed among the possible solutions here, but I guess that a "wealth tax" could indirectly address this by whittling away at large fortunes over time while people are still alive. This may help avoid the issue of people using trusts to sidestep estate taxes (although I'm sure they would find a way!). More generally, I highly recommend any of Thomas Piketty's books for detai…

I'm not an expert here but my understanding is that most generational wealth is gone by the third generation anyway. Even if you outlawed inheritance entirely it seems like it wouldn't make a huge marginal difference?

I don't think there's been 3 generations to test this across, since the post-war boom.

Sure there's data from before, but society hasn't been "at scale" for very long. It sure seems like the recently emerged mega-economies have a few star powers, ever consolidating their hold.

Squeezing out other wealthy families isn't helping the total distribution, if that is the case. Companies keep getting bigger and bigger & the ultra rich get ultra-richer. Families could keep falling like flies, but wealth could still be ever more owned by ultra-wealthy.

Re: Growing income inequality is driving public mistrust

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Curious to not see inheritance/estate taxes listed among the possible solutions here, but I guess that a "wealth tax" could indirectly address this by whittling away at large fortunes over time while people are still alive. This may help avoid the issue of people using trusts to sidestep estate taxes (although I'm sure they would find a way!). More generally, I highly recommend any of Thomas Piketty's books for detai…

I'm not an expert here but my understanding is that most generational wealth is gone by the third generation anyway. Even if you outlawed inheritance entirely it seems like it wouldn't make a huge marginal difference?

Historically true but definitely not once rich people figured it out. They created all sorts of financial and societal instruments to solidify this (various trusts and non profits as examples). There are many many families that are much older than 3 generations at this point.

Re: Growing income inequality is driving public mistrust

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I can't read the article so I'm just going by the headline... I was thinking about this over Christmas break. My wife and I live in Hammond, IN, a poor town near Gary and we were visiting my in-laws in Boca Raton, FL. Until then, I had thought of income inequality in terms of billionaires and outliers. But as I walked the beautiful sidewalks along the pristine manicured landscapes between the gorgeous library I was w…

The billionaires really, really want you to perceive this distinction as a real inequality problem. When people making $30K are resenting/fighting people making $300K, the people making $300M are sitting back and laughing. There's really not much of a difference between the lifestyles of Hammond, IN vs. Boca Raton, FL. I mean, there's a difference, but the difference is tiny compared to the difference between them an…

> The billionaires really, really want you to perceive this distinction as a real inequality problem. When people making $30K are resenting/fighting people making $300K, the people making $300M are sitting back and laughing.

But that is inequality, too.

Just as a thought experiment, if you were to take the global GDP and spread it perfectly evenly over every person on the planet, you'd have less than $13k per capita. That's around half of the income per capita in Hammond.

I think there's a perception that there's this massive hoard of wealth at the very top, and if only we could distribute it more fairly, we could solve a bevy of social ills. It's not that simple.

It's absolutely true that there are some unbelievably wealthy people, but they are also small in number. If you were to magically disgorge, say, every American with $50M+ of 90% of their wealth, you'd be lucky to be able to use the proceeds to raise all the Hammonds to the living standards of all the Boca Ratons, which as far as you're concerned here, does not really change their lifestyles.

Honestly I'm much more disgusted that billionaires exist while there are infants dying of malnutrition than I am disgusted that billionaires exist while there's people worried about their kids and their retirement. Those sorts of things are really unavoidable as long as we're grappling with scarcity.

Re: Growing income inequality is driving public mistrust

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Curious to not see inheritance/estate taxes listed among the possible solutions here, but I guess that a "wealth tax" could indirectly address this by whittling away at large fortunes over time while people are still alive. This may help avoid the issue of people using trusts to sidestep estate taxes (although I'm sure they would find a way!). More generally, I highly recommend any of Thomas Piketty's books for detai…

I'm not an expert here but my understanding is that most generational wealth is gone by the third generation anyway. Even if you outlawed inheritance entirely it seems like it wouldn't make a huge marginal difference?

Today's rich families in Florence, Italy, were rich 700 years ago: https://www.vox.com/2016/5/18/11691818/barone-mocetti-floren...

Inheritance in a republic is disgraceful.

Re: Growing income inequality is driving public mistrust

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post #7

Curious to not see inheritance/estate taxes listed among the possible solutions here, but I guess that a "wealth tax" could indirectly address this by whittling away at large fortunes over time while people are still alive. This may help avoid the issue of people using trusts to sidestep estate taxes (although I'm sure they would find a way!). More generally, I highly recommend any of Thomas Piketty's books for detai…

I'm not an expert here but my understanding is that most generational wealth is gone by the third generation anyway. Even if you outlawed inheritance entirely it seems like it wouldn't make a huge marginal difference?

Three generations of wealth is a common belief, but the research doesn't bare it out. Try 28 generations.

https://qz.com/301150/this-is-the-proof-that-the-1-have-been...

Re: Growing income inequality is driving public mistrust

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The billionaires really, really want you to perceive this distinction as a real inequality problem. When people making $30K are resenting/fighting people making $300K, the people making $300M are sitting back and laughing. There's really not much of a difference between the lifestyles of Hammond, IN vs. Boca Raton, FL. I mean, there's a difference, but the difference is tiny compared to the difference between them an…

> The billionaires really, really want you to perceive this distinction as a real inequality problem. When people making $30K are resenting/fighting people making $300K, the people making $300M are sitting back and laughing. But that is inequality, too. Just as a thought experiment, if you were to take the global GDP and spread it perfectly evenly over every person on the planet, you'd have less than $13k per capita.…

I’m disgusted that there are 5-10,000 luxury yachts in the world while infants are dying of malnutrition and people have to worry about feeding their kids while attempting to save for retirement on salaries that have hardly moved for anyone except a few fortunate elites since the 80s.
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