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Re: Ask HN: Why am I suddenly unemployable?

#261

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They're just telling you how you're coming across in these comments. You sound a tad resentful and like someone who maybe has a bit of chip on his shoulder with respect to more junior Java engineers. If that's how you want to come across (because you feel that's your authentic self, or feel you're telling it like it is), then no change is needed. If you feel that doesn't reflect who you truly are and you would like t…

I am extremely resentful. I wasted 15 years in a line of work stuffed with mostly unqualified entitled people that whine about unnecessary conveniences instead of maturing to any true potential. The blame can be directed in any direction, but it’s water under the bridge and I have moved on. Look, software has a very real people problem. Mike Judge (Beavis and Butthead) thought as much when he wrote Office Space. If y…

I actually don't disagree with anything you're saying. I've gone through my own periods of frustration similar to what you describe. I was never a Java engineer, but I followed the evolution of your field (going back to the advent of Java in the 90s) because some of my work was adjacent, so I am generally aware of what you're talking about. When I wrote the comment yesterday, I was thinking "this person is asking for feedback but I'm not sure if he's really hearing it." When I re-read my comment today, I wonder if it's sort of slyly hostile or argumentative, and think perhaps I should not have posted it. I'm sorry if I attacked you unwittingly due to my own insecurities or frustrations. As I said yesterday, you really don't sound like a bad or mean spirited person, but I do believe that the way you were writing your posts yesterday might cause some people to interpret you that way. I think that was what I was hoping to convey.

Yes, the subject of declining quality of tech workers is an interesting one. I first noticed it around 2014, but I think the root of it may go back into the late 2000s. It seems like a lot of people in that era started hearing that they should major in CS because it's a high paying field, and they took that advice regardless of whether they really had any inherent interest in computing or the magic of computers. This resulted in more and more people coming into the industry who seemed like they didn't quite fit, although as a manager you want to welcome everyone on your team and get them to be their most productive, so obviously you don't want to discourage anyone. I think it may be related to what you're talking about.

On the other hand, I would say that with each new generation that comes up, they are confronting a new world with increasingly high level tools, and I don't think we should disparage these folks. It isn't like I grew up on Charles Babbage's Difference Engine; I just took the field as it was at the time I happened to be a teenager.

Like in your situation, you probably started with Java when frameworks like Spring did not exist yet or were not widely used. But as those things evolved and got better, it's what the newer people would have been taught or done in previous jobs, so I don't really buy that that in and of itself makes them lesser engineers. They may just be doing the most reasonable thing with the tools that were popular at the time that they learned. Is it possible you are conflating some specific not-so-great engineers with whom you worked, with the broader trend in that period (and today) toward increasingly high level constructs as the underlying silicon gets faster and more powerful? Not sure, just offering it to you as an idea.

I'm really sorry that you wasted 15 years! I've wasted a lot of my time on the earth as well, and I think most people feel that way about some period in their life. But it sounds like you came into some ideas and insights that you wouldn't have otherwise had, even if the experience itself was frustrating. Maybe that's just the reality of life?

Re: Ask HN: Why am I suddenly unemployable?

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> For example: you coded and launched a new feature, and that feature brought in 20% more users over the following year. Even if I did, it was probably someone else's idea, someone else decided it would be worth adding to the product, someone else made a UX and UI design, I wrote the code, someone else tested it, maybe there were some iterations of those. It's all team work. Someone claiming such a increase as their…

It was a simplified example. Obviously on a real world resume you would say “was a part of a team that did X.”

Oh. You were "part of a team?" But what did you do? What? You mean your team added 20% more users with this feature, not you?

SMH.

Re: Ask HN: Why am I suddenly unemployable?

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I get looped in on hiring quite a bit and the feedback I have: 1. Job titles. I need to understand where you were in the hierarchy. Its dumb but I do, for the same reason as 2. Salary Expectation. How much do you cost. This is because the good hiring managers are job sizing. They want to consult their table of skills and responsibilities and justify paying you money. You have plainly declared your skills, but not you…

I've never heard of putting your salary expectations in your resume. It actually feels kinda inappropriate to me simply for the fact that when I get looped in on hiring I'm supposed to be assessing someones skills and not where they fit into the company budget. And it would almost undoubtedly lead those not involved in the financial aspect of hiring to have inaccurate expectations around what their coworkers are gett…

Don't do that with a US resume, applying to a US company. That whole "first one to say a number loses" bit isn't 100% true, but it is generally true the more information you volunteer, the more you put yourself at a disadvantage.

OP is in the UK, presumably applying to UK companies. It's different over there.

Re: Ask HN: Why am I suddenly unemployable?

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You've gotten tons of great feedback already, so I'm going to keep it very brief:

1. As some others have mentioned, I had trouble extracting a career progression from the non-chronological format. I'll actually read a resume that crosses my desk, but, if you make me work too hard, I'll just move on to the next one. You're making me work too hard.

2. The design sense in the document is good, except that the typeface for the main text is fairly thin. Again, it's not that I don't like it, it's just that you're making me work too hard to get what I want out of this document. Go for a heavier weight typeface when you redo it.

That's all I've got for now. Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: Why am I suddenly unemployable?

#265

You aren't. The economy is absolute garbage right now. I'm in the US and the situation is similar here. I've never had an issue finding a job before either, but I've been unemployed since the middle of 2023. Assuming you aren't under financial hardship, my advice is to spend more time on your hobbies and check back in around July/August. That is when the layoffs are projected to drop and hiring is expected to keep up…

Every time I bring up this uneasy feeling of everything feeling like it's going to crumble soon, I get employment data hurtled at me and the stock market thrown in my face. Maybe Canada is worse due to how insane housing is but for the average person life does not feel anywhere like it used to pre pandemic at least.

40% of the US population is inactive. Unemployment rate has been made useless, I don't think any software developer contributes to it. The rate now is more about desperate people in critical situation than people who didn't find a job.

Re: Ask HN: Why am I suddenly unemployable?

#266
It's not you. It's high interest rate. In a bid to get the inflation down, the fed has been increasing the interest rates. Currently, they are at a 22 years high. Unemployment rate is at 3.7%. Most of the big tech companies have been doing a mass layoff last and this year. The job market has to absorb them too.

Re: Ask HN: Why am I suddenly unemployable?

#267
a hot take, fwiw:

pedantic: not a fan. why "some", why not all of them? > "Converted some Flash games to a custom..."

eh? you wrote the article there? odd phrasing > "I wrote an article about this project here"

left-right independent chronological ordering is weird and makes it hard to digest. suggest top to bottom single column would be easier to understand. you could make the OSS stuff a separate section or interleave.

Since 2010, you've worked at 3-4 different places for only a couple years each and worked on "frontend and backend systems", oh and did a bunch of OSS/volunteer work stuff. If I had to summarize the CV into one sentence that's what I get. I don't really see what skills you have, but you "used" Python, Django, Postgres, Typescript, Node.js, HTML Canvas, Websockets, etc. Well, every internet user "uses" those.

It just sounds ... weird ... and fishy. What actual skills are you purporting to have? Why so much time not getting paid? Were you unemployable? Or much worse - very successful independently? (sarcasm, but sadly too true)

Personally, I'll always give the benefit of the doubt and talk to a person to see what's up. But this CV/Resume in it's current form isn't helping you.

I'm not going to lie, we may not be typical, but where I'm at, when you are young and bounce around every couple years for a couple jobs, I don't see so much of an issue. But when you are mid-senior career, you don't look right. Way too many short shallow gigs.

Re: Ask HN: Why am I suddenly unemployable?

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post #206

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the "perfectly rational markets" expect the central banks to lower interest rates. which actually assumes that something economically worse happens in the meantime because as it is now, the fed is _not_ lowering.

core CPI is dropping and most of the growth in December was real-state (which is on a downward trend) Some consumer prices deflated last month Wider economy job data is not as hot (december was 40k higher than expected but 70k jobs were erased from octo and november payroll so its cooling) while the fed may not cut in march i think its likely they will cut at least once or twice in '24

yes that sounds rational. central bankers are humans with a target on their back though.

Re: Ask HN: Why am I suddenly unemployable?

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Yes but this is misleading and missing the point: there is nothing really wrong with this person's resume/CV. There is nothing about it which is off-putting and it does the job of communicating that this person is a very experienced software engineer who can communicate clearly, and has enough attention to detail and care to produce a nicely formatted CV and that they're obviously a reasonable candidate for pretty mu…

> Yes but this is misleading and missing the point: there is nothing really wrong with this person's resume/CV. There is nothing about it which is off-putting and it does the job of communicating that this person is a very experienced software engineer who can communicate clearly, and has enough attention to detail and care to produce a nicely formatted CV and that they're obviously a reasonable candidate for pretty…

Exactly. A CV is a marketing tool to get you to an interview. These days you probably have to make sure all the right keywords are in there too so you don't get filtered out by a machine, as well as getting noticed by a human.

I've reviewed hundreds, if not thousands, of CVs in my time. This CV, while not absolutely terrible, is most definitely not great, and I'd go so far as to say below average.

It does not help the person reading it make a positive decision.

* It's hard to figure out what the skills and experience are. If I have to read the entire thing work to even know if you might be a fit, there's a good chance of just going on the rejection pile.

* It's not clear what kind of role the person wants. Do you want to do front end? Mobile? Back end? Full stack? This can be tailored of course to a particular role if needed.

* It's extremely passive. Saying "worked on X" is about as interesting as watching paint dry.

* One page is not enough for a technical role. I know some people say keep it to one page, but to me, 2 (and sometimes 3) pages is OK if it's not horrid to read and I have reasonable confidence there might be a fit there (not if I have to read the whole thing though to figure out if there might be a fit).

* There is absolutely nothing in it to make me think "ooh, would be good to talk to this person."

Fundamentally, this CV says "I have built some different software for people. I have nothing interesting to say about it. I dont care if I waste your time reading it.".

In a strong market that might be enough. In a weak market it will be straight to the reject pile.

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