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Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by rglullis »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #189
rglullis wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing is "entwined". I can download kubo and run it without even knowing what Filecoin is. In fact, every user of Brave browser does it. Same thing for projects like OrbitDB. Same thing for customers of Pinata.

I can download F2FS and run it on my RAM. That doesn't mean that F2FS isn't entwined with NVMe SSDs. In fact, while F2FS is a ludicrous example, this happens regularly with filesystems. The core design of filesystems is still built assuming that a block device will be behind it. IPFS is the same way, just s/block device/blockchain/.

I'm sorry, I really have no idea where you are trying to go with this.

- You can have files on IPFS and no blockchain whatsoever "behind it".

- IPFS itself makes no use of blockchains as an abstration for data storage or file organization

- If all the blockchains networks and nodes disappeared overnight, no IPFS nodes would be affected.

I don't know if you actually used any of that or just going by hearsay.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by rglullis »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #187
rglullis wrote: post #186

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I'm all for Storj (or Sia, or Filecoin) managing to create an alternative to AWS/GCP/Azure, but even if they succeed, they are never going to be able to make their system operate at a lower cost of the existing commodity. I recently set up a Minio cluster with 80TB (usable, 120TB total) for ~150€/month. Storj is cheap (~3.5€/TB/month), but there is no way that Storj can ever be that cheap. And we are not even talking…

Most people don't want to make their own clusters, or don't have enough data for it to be a good price. There's plenty of room for a service that's twice as expensive as commodity prices. > The moment that this model starts to become a threat to the big cloud providers, they will slash their prices I doubt it's ever going to be a big threat , since this kind of storage is never going to have great latency. I don't th…

> Most people don't want to make their own clusters, or don't have enough data for it to be a good price.

Yeah, these people will pay for iCloud, Google Drive, Dropbox... Or maybe if they are a bit more technical they will look into Backblaze B2.

> there's billions of dollars to make before we reach that point. It's not a reason to avoid the market.

I want to agree with you, but honestly this feels more like a situation where all the players will be investing a bunch of time and money in the hopes of becoming a winner and they will all end up finding an ever shrinking spread.

To illustrate the point, all these projects raised already billions of dollars, but there is a very low chance that any of them will ever recoup that money. It's not a problem for them because they are all playing with someone else's money, but globally this has been nothing but a waste of time and resources.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by shuckles »

beaugunderson wrote: post #181
shuckles wrote: post #73

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I’ve recently observed that both IPFS and the Cloudflare gateways are extremely unreliable on Libgen.

100%, and same for Standard Template Construct. There are basically no reliable IPFS gateways with book or paper content. They all get struck from the more reliable gateways immediately.

Unfortunate behavior in an apocalypse-proof distributed filesystem.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by colesantiago »

robertlagrant wrote: post #95
colesantiago wrote: post #61

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> Filecoin is probably one of the few cryptocurrencies with intrinsic value, None of these coins have any intrinsic value. There are thousands of people who sat on bench and thought, "I want to create a ponzi coin" doesn't mean they create value. Crypto is a net negative phenomenon.

I'm pretty cynical of crypto, but you're confusing what something can be used for with what it can only be used for. Any coin, including USD, has no intrinsic value. Its value is in what people can buy with it.

You cannot pay taxes or do anything legitimate with crypto.

Sounds pretty useless to me.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by colesantiago »

hanniabu wrote: post #140
colesantiago wrote: post #48

This doesn't really mean anything really. What is the use case of these crypto tokens other than speculation? Where is the market in space that is asking to use this?

The tokens are used for incentive alignment. Space is used for robustness.

> The tokens are used for incentive alignment.

Or pump and dump scams.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by trogdor »

FileCoin strikes me as yet another crypto scam.

On April 1, 2021, “The FileCoin Foundation” announced that they were donating 50,000 FileCoin to The Internet Archive, valued at $10 million. That announcement got a lot of PR for FileCoin and drove its price to its highest value ever - $237 - that same day. It never saw anything near those prices again.

Just a guess, but I bet the creators cashed out big time right after pumping their coin by announcing their generosity by press release.

FileCoin’s current price is $5.85.

A while ago, I contacted The Internet Archive to ask if they were able to sell their donated FileCoin at the price it was trading at when they received it. I didn’t receive a reply.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by hanniabu »

colesantiago wrote: post #195
hanniabu wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tokens are used for incentive alignment. Space is used for robustness.

> The tokens are used for incentive alignment. Or pump and dump scams.

One doesn't exclude the other. Theranos and enron doesn't mean all companies are scams.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by geokon »

anthk wrote: post #171
geokon wrote: post #77

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Wouldn't all those examples also work just as easily with torrents/magnet-links? I think in all those cases a central server distribution model has unfortunately been "good enough" for the majority of users (even though their data is mined and ads are injected) When it comes to FOSS, I personally don't understand why something like a package manager isn't P2P by default. It feels very aligned with the hacker culture…

P2P works better for ISO based distros with full offline backups or maybe LTS based distros with small repos as Hyperbola. Having a full repo of Trisquel with continuous updates would not work well.

Oh right, that's a very good point. I've only use LTS for years. Forgot about rolling releases haha

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by anacrolix »

ChadNauseam wrote: post #53
kibwen wrote: post #42

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It's basically the same idea as magnet links, so you could say it's torrents with the same steps.

The main advantage IPFS has over torrents with magnet links is global deduplication / a global swarm. If you seed a torrent that just contains book A, and I seed a torrent that contains books A and B, I won't provide any bandwidth to people downloading book A through your torrent. If we were using IPFS, someone downloading book A will be able to pull from both you and me, even if we don't personally know about each o…

This sounds like a feature but it's actually a source of serious performance issues in IPFS.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by colesantiago »

hanniabu wrote: post #197
colesantiago wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The tokens are used for incentive alignment. Or pump and dump scams.

One doesn't exclude the other. Theranos and enron doesn't mean all companies are scams.

Yet the majority of crypto companies are scams.
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