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Chicago-area Tesla charging stations lined with dead cars in freezing cold

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Re: Chicago-area Tesla charging stations lined with dead cars in freezing cold

#51
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I'm surprised since I've never had any problems at -40C and it happened several times. I Neve had to supercharge the car under these conditions however.

Fun fact: -40C is equal to -40F! So you can just say -40 and it means the same to everyone.

Imperial is weird.

Re: Chicago-area Tesla charging stations lined with dead cars in freezing cold

#52
post #17

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I'm as "Fuck FOX" as many people are, but I'm struggling to find what is wrong about this specific article. I'd be curious to hear what it is about this piece that you take issue with.

1 It doesn't mention that the problem is the charging stations at that location are broken.

2 It doesn't mention that there are equally dead and lined up ice cars at equally dead pumps.

Re: Chicago-area Tesla charging stations lined with dead cars in freezing cold

#53
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't see a situation in an apocalypse where gasoline isn't consumed immediately, and then rationed to only government authorities. My bet would be 100% EV, and if you want redundancy, buy a generator capable of outputting to an inverter that charges the EV (then stockpile a reasonable amount of fuel for the generator).

Or just get an ICE car and stockpile the fuel.. Way fewer steps required.

gasoline has a shelf life of 3 to 6 months. and diesel 12 months in low temps.

might want a battery EV with ability to plug deployable solar module amd/or hydropower module and/or wood burning stove thermoelectric generator.

Re: Chicago-area Tesla charging stations lined with dead cars in freezing cold

#54
post #28

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My bias: I'm not from the US, and to me, Bloomberg is right-of-center. I think foxbusiness (like foxSport) is a good source of news. Their main bias are on the angle of attack and choice to tell some stories on somewhat political news, as well as the "business" liberal/center-right bias that is shared by all business media (a social science paper will lean left by nature). It is not Fox News: i would trust their stor…

yes, you should.

In this case, there are equally dead ice cars lined up at equally dead pumps. What was the value to you, to be so selectively informed of only one of two true facts?

Also in this case, the chargers at this location happen to be broken, and the failure for the users is that Tesla didn't fix them, and worse, didn't remove them from the computer for route planning. What was the value to you to be told only that there are some dead evs? No gas stations ever turn out to be closed when you get there?

Evs don't come close to the utility of ice yet by a long shot, but this news source absolutely did not inform you of anything except what people who consume this news source think. It's only meta-informative about it's audience, not at all about it's actual content.

Re: Chicago-area Tesla charging stations lined with dead cars in freezing cold

#55

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If you have concerns about the veracity of the story, state them and cite your sources. Your assumptions and derisive tone, otherwise, have no place here.

Done several times in several other comments. This question is absolutely answered.

Re: Chicago-area Tesla charging stations lined with dead cars in freezing cold

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I learned to drive on a 1976 VW Rabbit diesel. We had a block heater for it, and in the winter, we had to plug it in to warm it up. You'd think there'd be some way to do that for EVs.

There is.

In Europe, most Euro 6 diesel engines have have heaters as they are so efficient, they do not heat up fast enough for the coolant to flow properly.

Re: Chicago-area Tesla charging stations lined with dead cars in freezing cold

#57

This is where a hybrid powertrain / PHEV is superior to EV. In an ideal system you want redundancies, especially redundancies that cover for each other's weaknesses.

Not just a hybrid but a series-type hybrid. Electric motors drive the wheels and the gas engine is just there to generate electricity. At every level of society I see products being designed for the "best case" only. For example, unlocking your car with electronic keys. I am afraid a generation will have to live through "hard times" in order to get us thinking about resilience again and planning for the "worst case".…

why series-type? (from a bit of research, seems these are also called EREV (extended-range electric vehicles, in the context of autos)

simpler engine since you can have an electric engine only and not have an ICE engine with more points of failure/maintenance?

Re: Chicago-area Tesla charging stations lined with dead cars in freezing cold

#58

A friend hypothesized that a lot of Tesla drivers charge the same way they refilled their gas cars, by waiting until the last minute and supercharging back up to "full". This doesn't work when it's so cold so people need to learn to charge a little at a time.

People that don't charge at home do certainly charge this way. And they will continue doing that, at least until they can charge at most stops. IMO, more people have brought electrical cars than who can make practical use of them right now. We will have lots of impractical issues on the news on the next few years. Growth pains, I guess.

tbf going out to top up the car is a nice way to get out of the house

parents had a free municipal charger which meant walking a whole mile every few days

Re: Chicago-area Tesla charging stations lined with dead cars in freezing cold

#59
post #7

I'm surprised since I've never had any problems at -40C and it happened several times. I Neve had to supercharge the car under these conditions however.

Do you have a decent charger in a decent garage?

If you park outdoors and have a slow charger (say 2kw) and depending on battery type - the charge might never even start as there's simply not enough heating power for battery to warm up.

Re: Chicago-area Tesla charging stations lined with dead cars in freezing cold

#60
ICE cars are superior in this scenario. You can jump start the battery and your car good to go unless your fuel tank also freeze up. EVs you can't do that. There are portable batteries to jump start ICE cars. I have not seen similar devices for EVs.
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