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Post by lancesells »

csmpltn wrote: post #174
andybak wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

> Why? Locking people down at home for over 2 years. Damaging an entire generation of young children in the process. Destroying the economy in the process. Inflationary policies which lead to recessions and stagflation globally from which we still haven't recovered (and probably won't for the next 5-10 years). Spreading mass fear and hysteria based on little empirical (and often contradictory) evidence. Obliterating…

I don't remember most these things happening in the US but maybe you live somewhere else. In hindsight there were a ton of mistakes, but I do remember there being mass graves and overworked medical people WHILE there was a lockdown so some of the irrational things probably make sense.

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Post by rufus_foreman »

digging wrote: post #146
anigbrowl wrote: post #68

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The food desert concept is way overblown. They exist to some degree, but a lot of people choose to buy shit food when it would be equally convenient and affordable to buy something good. People walking around with 32oz (~1 liter) soda cups are not unable to find anything else to drink, they're sugar addicts.

Surely such a misanthropic shifting of blame to the poor themselves is well supported by research?

"Improved food access through establishment of a full-service food retailer, by itself, does not show strong evidence towards enhancing health-related outcomes over short durations."

-- https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28566095/

"Initiatives to build supermarkets in low-income areas with relatively poor access to large food retailers (“food deserts”) have been implemented at all levels of government, although evaluative studies have not found these projects to improve diet or weight status for shoppers"

-- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4899338/

"Living in a food desert census tract was not significantly associated with BMI"

-- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5615612/

"Using a prospective controlled quasi-experimental design we evaluate the impact on Body Mass Index, fruit and vegetable intake and perceptions of food access, of increasing neighborhood supermarket provision in one community in Philadelphia. This increase in provision was one part of the wider public-private Pennsylvania Fresh Food Financing Initiative. The intervention moderately increased perceptions of food access, but did not lead to changes in fruit and vegetable intake or BMI."

-- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4201352/

"We found no evidence that the absolute or relative accessibility of supermarkets, fast food restaurants, or mass merchandisers were associated with individual BMI change"

-- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5895451/

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Post by Aunche »

Spivak wrote: post #144
Aunche wrote: post #71

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People who value fresh produce are going to go out of the way to get it. If enough people do this, environments will adapt to that demand. NYC Chinatowns used to be quite poor and discriminated against, but they were still able to establish their own supply chains that provides cheaper and fresher vegetables than anywhere else in the city because vegetables are a quintessential part of Chinese cuisine. Food deserts,…

> a concept that assumes that demand follows supply This is wayyyy too black and white. What is cheap and available is what becomes people's diets and historically folks are extremely creative with the stuff that's around. This is pretty much the entire story of culinary history and likely where all your favorite dishes originated. One of the reasons tea was so unbelievably popular in western Europe was because the s…

I don't disagree with your first paragraph, but I don't think it contradicts the spirit of my original comment. Cheeses were invented because there was a demand for non-perishable protein.

> And this isn't some new phenomenon, "cutting out work for wives and mothers trying to put food on the table every night" is an entire industry. Go look at any food ads from the 20th century.

Sure, but that doesn't necessarily mean people's diets necessarily had to deteriorate. You get to pick 3 between healthy, convenient, cheap, and tasty, and Americans overwhelmingly chose the last three. This may caused some vicious cycles, but those are downstream affects caused by lack of demand.

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Post by jinpa_zangpo »

andybak wrote: post #159
csmpltn wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The erosion of institutional trust became much more widespread post Covid. As it should have.

Why?

Among other errors they overestimated the effectiveness of the Covid vaccine, said it stopped transmission when it didn't, didn't consider measures to mitigate the risk of myocarditis in young people, and claimed contracting Covid didn't provide immunity equivalent to vaccination.

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Post by _bkyr »

tomcar288 wrote: post #7

i'm not saying anything about the content of infowars but I can't believe how much money people will spend on "supplements", and pills and artificial products. and yet, somehow don't have any money for fruits, vegetables and beans. i can only imagine, there's something broken in how people are being raised.

I don't disagree with your point but we could probably find a lot of billionaires that use these as well.

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Post by logiduck »

andybak wrote: post #187
csmpltn wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why? Locking people down at home for over 2 years. Damaging an entire generation of young children in the process. Destroying the economy in the process. Inflationary policies which lead to recessions and stagflation globally from which we still haven't recovered (and probably won't for the next 5-10 years). Spreading mass fear and hysteria based on little empirical (and often contradictory) evidence. Obliterating…

Rather than being an issue of "institutional trust" it's an issue of a deep and continuing disagreement about the correct trade-offs to make in the face of a novel and quickly evolving situation - and one in which nobody had a crystal ball. Many people who are far from the levers of power would disagree strongly with your above portrayal. It's an issue that divides people more than an issue where the masses were hood…

In addition the policies while they may not have matched what was necessary where in and of themselves a form of communication to get people to take it seriously.

There might not have been a reason to make everyone stay home, but if the only way you can get people to take a quickly evolving situation seriously is to over correct, then that is the tool you have to use.

By making the same rules apply to everyone and having such extreme responses it reduced the ability for the majority to say "yeah, its bad but it doesn't apply to me". By making everyone wear masks, it was the only way to get the people who really needed to wear the masks to do so.

The policies were extreme because the situation was extreme. People now have the hindsight, but I have lost at least 3 family members and 5 neighbors due to covid and the secondary effects. 4 of those died of ordinarily treatable causes (heat attack, pneumonia, etc), but the health system wasn't able to provide them the treatment needed because of Covid was overwhelming them.

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Post by semi »

akira2501 wrote: post #168
darth_avocado wrote: post #140

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The unfortunate reality of the breakdown in trust is because the institutions are behaving in a way that would reinforce this. It is easy to look at the extremes like Qanon, but even if you look beyond the surface on any institution in this country, it is really hard to be positive or hopeful about anything. For example it is hard to trust in the Supreme Court once you notice that judges (on both side of the politica…

This is an expected consequence of over monopolization of industry. You lose all the natural power of moderation that comes from the market. With that gone, corruption is left unchecked, regulatory bodies are captured, and collusion is purchased to gaslight everyone over the truth. You also should never trust any court, in particular, the Supreme Court. A court has no special access to facts, yet it operates with com…

> A court has no special access to facts

There are facts out there that can otherwise be kept private until subpoenad by court order, is that not special access to facts?

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Post by Aloisius »

genter wrote: post #87
seattle_spring wrote: post #82

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Dehydrated cashews are definitely not going to sprout...

No, but soaking is going to break down chemicals like phytic acid that lock up nutrients.

Looking at the literature, it appears there have been two studies on whether soaking nuts reduces phytic acid.

Neither found an effect.

Simply soaking whole nuts doesn't appear to do anything.

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Post by Aunche »

csmpltn wrote: post #174
andybak wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

> Why? Locking people down at home for over 2 years. Damaging an entire generation of young children in the process. Destroying the economy in the process. Inflationary policies which lead to recessions and stagflation globally from which we still haven't recovered (and probably won't for the next 5-10 years). Spreading mass fear and hysteria based on little empirical (and often contradictory) evidence. Obliterating…

You're just listing a bunch of things that you happen to disagree with using very charged language. I'm guessing that you would object to the characterization of the riots following BLM protests as an reasonable reaction to institutional systemic racism?

Belief in democracy requires that you assume that most people are acting in good faith. Perfectly intelligent people have sensible, non-malicious reasons to come to conclusions that are opposite of yours.

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